Talk:New York, Susquehanna and Western Railway

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Former good articleNew York, Susquehanna and Western Railway was one of the Engineering and technology good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
July 29, 2006Peer reviewReviewed
November 7, 2006Good article nomineeListed
June 1, 2009Good article reassessmentDelisted
Current status: Delisted good article

New Update[edit]

I cleaned the links to the article, all redirects bypassed. I'd love to see a picture of the GP18's, all 3 together if possible, from when they were first purchased. It would make a great addition to the section dealing with dieselization. The NYSW was one of the original GP18 customers and bought 1800, 1802 and 1804 brand new, and they're still working today. I did come across a roster of power that should be linked to, or even a new article created. I'll get the link on the references section asap. Kether83 16:39, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see someone is starting to chronicle the adventures of 142 in the article. I suspect NYS&WT&HS involvment. Probably so they can take credit for this article, much in the same way they took credit for the Maywood station restoration when 99% of the T&HS had NOTHING to do with the station restoration. 3D jonny 22:29, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Easy does it.. we all love the same road, right? Anyway, the 142 "saga" is something I'm pretty much all in the dark about. As a kid, I rode behind it when it was a Valley RR locomotive, and later as a NYS&W one, so those are pretty much my only in-person experiences. I know it was down by P-burg for a while, but they built a shed at Butler for it. I'm sort of confused, so any info is welcome, right? Kether83 03:22, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I take it you have had no dealings with the group. Consider yourself lucky. I won't go into specifics here, but ask around and you'll know what I mean. The engine is no longer owned by the railroad, so any information past it going into storage is irrelevant to the article. Most of the time the tender isn't even lettered SUSQUEHANNA anyway. 3D jonny 12:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't dealt with them in many years... the last time I spoke with anyone it was a letter I got from Rich Onorevole. I worked with the VRA before I moved to Boston and worked/rode on one of their SD speeder runs. They seem to be the group to follow Kether83 19:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

CNY[edit]

I made a Central New York Railroad article - I'll come up with a way to edit the article text to incorporate the CNY, but for now I think the little info there is is adequate for the NYSW article. I'll take some pictures of the CNY when I'm down that way - should be this weekend. Kether83 19:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Walter Rich[edit]

Apparently Walter Rich has lost his battle with cancer, can anyone confirm this? Kether83 12:06, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, He passed away a few weeks ago. I don't have a news paper link, but he died in the beginning of the month. 3D jonny 18:50, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
He died on August 9. See [1] for one obit. There will likely be something in Trains magazine next month too. Slambo (Speak) 19:06, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That link seems dead, this one [2] is good as of now. While an article for him doesn't exist and wouldn't be justified as per the Wiki-Regulations, I think he does deserve a section, but in which article? I'm would suppose the Delaware Otsego Corporation one. Kether83 05:16, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edits[edit]

Someone's been working on the page a bit... hopefully you're reading this - hey create an account and join the gang, eh?
Kether83 05:08, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article is packed with information, but it is hidden in maddening obscurity. It needs a unified voice to clarify it. There are numerous references to events and equipment which are no longer present: "As of 2008, the tunnel carries a pipeline owned by the Amarada Hess Corporation." What tunnel? It's not mentioned anywhere else in the article. Read the entire article from start to finish and the other hanging references will jump out at you. Boteman (talk) 09:16, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

PLEASE do not remove any references! We need more of them, not less. I replaced two that were removed after the Late 80s section was removed and the Motive Power section added. Kether83 19:17, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Motive Power[edit]

A good project would be editing this section to sound less railfan and more encyclopedia; it's great info but it's a bit jargony. Kether83 19:17, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment[edit]

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:New York, Susquehanna and Western Railway/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

GA Sweeps: Delisted[edit]

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I believe the article currently has multiple issues that need to be addressed, and as a result, I have delisted the article. Although a few inline citations are present, there are multiple sections that lack citations throughout the article. I have left additional comments below that can be used for improving the article to return it to GA status. Add additional citations from a variety of sources to provide a balanced representation of the information present. Perhaps sources can be pulled from the main articles linked to within the article. Look to books, magazines, newspaper articles, other websites, etc. Although the article has been delisted, the article can be return to GA status by addressing the below points. Once sources are added and cleanup is done, I recommend renominating the article at WP:GAN. If you need assistance with any of these issues, please contact me on my talk page and I'll do my best to help you out. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 02:22, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Needs inline citations:

  1. The entire "Route" section is unsourced. The citation tag has been there since October 2008.
  2. The vast majority of the "History" section is also unsourced. Go through each paragraph and cite any statement that is likely to be questioned by a reader who knows nothing of the topic.
  3. "Because there are no customers between these two points, the NYS&W announced in February 2007 that it intends to abandon this section of the Utica Branch, the railroad's first abandonment in well over three decades." Tagged since February 2007.

Other issues:

  1. This isn't required for GA, but I tagged multiple images to be moved over to Wikimedia Commons. If you have a profile there, consider moving them over so that other language Wikipedias can benefit from the images.
  2. File:NYSW2481.jpg, File:NYSW1002.jpg, and File:NYSW238.jpg need to state fair use rationales for why they should be included in this article.
  3. The inline citations need consistent formatting to include the title, author, date, access date, etc. Consider using the citation templates at WP:CITET to make formatting easier.
  4. Since the article is lacking citations, consider using the sites listed in the references section for sourcing statements.
  5. For an article of this length, the lead should be two paragraphs. Try and touch on all of the sections to best summarize the article. Look to WP:LEAD for guidelines.
  6. There are multiple single sentences in the article. To improve the flow of the article, either expand on these or incorporate them into other paragraphs.
  7. "The railroad filed for federal reorganization due to bankruptcy on June 1, 1937." Full dates should no longer be wikilinked, make sure to fix any other occurrences within the article.
  8. In the history section see if some of the subsections can be combined, some are too brief to need to stand alone.
  9. "Three were later wrecked[7][8][9], and the remaining two..." Inline citations go directly after the punctuation, make sure to fix all occurrences.
  10. Try and develop the modeling section further if possible.
  11. The "Miscellany" section should be incorporated into the main text of the article. Otherwise it may appear to be a trivia section, which you should try to avoid per WP:TRIVIA.

Class II or Class III[edit]

The file reference to Class III actually speaks of FGLK and not NYSW, could someone confirm? Knightdaemon (talk) 20:30, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Route Diagram[edit]

I'm working on a template - can someone take a look at it (and the talk page please) and lend a hand?

Template:New_York,_Susquehanna_and_Western_Railway

Thanks. Kether83 (talk) 10:18, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NYSW Abandonment of part of Northern Division[edit]

As of 2006, after the massive flooding, the NYSW chose to abandon much of the Binghamton-Utica route from Binghamton to Sherburne due to high cost of replacing bridges that were damaged. There are no plans to use this section of the railroad again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.74.105.245 (talk) 12:35, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Recent article editing and deletions[edit]

Recently this article has been chopped considerably - whether or not the length was "appropriate" for Wikipedia is highly subjective. Let's discuss it here please. Kether83 (talk) 21:45, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright problem removed[edit]

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