Talk:Hybristophilia

Gynocentricism

This article is very gynocentric and does not mention any males with this paraphilia, or reasons such as seeking what is perceived as "strength" in a partner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.104.113.198 (talk) 20:54, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

I found one case study about men who helped a female serial killer:

Mark Pettigrew (2019) Aggressive hybristophilia in men and the affect of a female serial killer, The Journal of Forensic Psychiatry & Psychology, 30:3, 419-428, DOI: 10.1080/14789949.2019.1588911

It’s not as well-known, but it does happen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seeker718 (talk • contribs) 18:32, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Addition

If enough resources exist, a section should be added on the psychology of Hybristophilics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.114.97 (talk) 14:27, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Season 2 of Dexter features a woman (Delila?) who is in love with Dexter because he is a serial killer — Preceding unsigned comment added by King James I (talk • contribs) 19:52, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I find it odd that this article doesn't explicitly say that this is why women are attracted to the "bad boy" stereotype. I came across this term while watching Criminal Minds S4E2: The Angel Maker -- comment added by whirlpool4

Multiple IPs blanking the boston bombing suspect

The mention of Tsarnaev keeps getting deleted by unregistered users whose sole activities on Wikipedia are deleting this content. It's possible these are the same person or a group of people communicating with each other. I recommend that this article be semi-protected indefinitely. Thoughts? ComfyKem (talk) 10:39, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

There does definitely seem to be this phenomenon around the surviving Boston bombing suspect. Salon.com The doughy sympathy for the plight of the suspect and references to his innocent boyish looks fits exactly the listed suspected psychological reasons.

The rationalizations below a specious, as Tsarnev has already admitted his guilt. Hybristophilia clearly doesn't require a conviction. Women were showing up in the courtroom to see Ted Bundy during his trial, before the conviction.

Reason of blanking the boston bombing suspect

There's a difference between loving someone who's convicted of murder and supporting and sticking up for someone whom we think is wrongly accused of a crime. Also, "hybristophilia is responsive to and contingent upon being with a partner known to have committed an outrage, or crime, such as rape, murder, or armed robbery." Neither Tamerlan or Dzhokhar have been convicted with a crime, as they are still suspects. Therefore he doesn't belong on this page in any way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.84.75.112 (talk) 10:46, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

They haven't been convicted, but they are indeed known to have committed murder and terrorism. They were videotaped leaving the bombs and caught after a shootout with police. Walterego (talk) 10:06, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Removal of Boston Suspects.

Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev are not convicted terrorists or serial killers. Therefore, regardless of that article,Hybristophilia does not apply to the movement currently happening. All we are seeking is for him to have a fair and unbiased trial, whether he is guilty or innocent. However, until he is proven guilty, even those only in it for his looks, do not have hybristophilia. As he is still an innocent man.

"upon being with a partner KNOWN to have committed an outrage, or crime, such as rape, murder, or armed robbery". that right there is the main reason it should be removed. Neither Dzhokhar or Tamerlan are KNOWN to have committed a crime, they are just suspected. It does not fit on this page!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.27.210.200 (talk) 10:57, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

A person doesn't have to be convicted of a crime to have committed one. If you wish for the trial to be "fair and unbiased" (per the 6th amendment), you should try talking to the Massachusetts judiciary. That will work a lot better than deleting things on Wikipedia that you don't agree with. ComfyKem (talk) 13:23, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't MATTER you silly fucks, whether someone has objectively committed a crime or not is totally irrelevant, this -philia is not contingent on irrefutable legal evidence that someone is a murderer. If you're attracted to Jews, you'll be attracted you believe is Jewish even if you don't do a genealogy test and quiz them on the torah. Your movement is ridiculous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.122.246.228 (talk) 17:53, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Common name

I do not have a problem with the name of the title and do not think it should be changed. I DO have issues with "In popular culture, this phenomenon is also known as "Bonnie and Clyde Syndrome".", placed at the end of the lead, and especially following "In popular culture".

The "common name" would not just denote what would be common by usage in reliable sources but also the actual "common name" as opposed to the scientific terminology. It doesn't matter if we relegate a name to colloquialism's, or try to place a name lower on the totem pole by innuendo's that it is only used a certain way, "in one fashion", particularly as in usage in popular culture or American pop folklore. I imagine that the popularity, and possible infatuation of the couple "Bonnie and Clyde", along with the fact that it is positioned that Bonnie, through psychological speculations, suffered from hybristophilia thus the "nick name" being attached. The name does have common usage thus an elevation in prominence is warranted.

Usage (bold) is covered in Wikipedia:Article titles#Treatment of alternative names and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section#Format of the first sentence. Exceptions are made if a name is covered in an etymology (of Bonnie and Clyde syndrome) section, to cover the popular culture aspect, but that would not actually exempt the usage on first instance in the first paragraph. Otr500 (talk) 19:10, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Eva Braun Complex would be more appropriate.

Examples involving dead perpetrators

The article states: School shooters and other mass murderers, such as Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, James Holmes, Adam Lanza, and Dylann Roof have also been objects of hybristophilia. How exactly is there a case of hybristophilia, when the supposed subject is dead? I thought that the term referred to people (typically women) who fall in love with, write letters to, visit, marry, etc., these criminals in prison. Obviously, deceased murderers such as Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold and Adam Lanza don't have opportunities such as those for hybristophilia to "blossom". So, what does the term mean in cases like these deceased killers? Or is the term being used incorrectly in this article to refer to such examples? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:13, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

User:Joseph A. Spadaro It's a bit difficult for the layman (which I am certainly am wrt this topic) to nail down the exact definition, since online versions disagree as to whether this phenomenon can be applied to cases involving non-living perpetrators. The best I can find is "Passion Victim: A brief look at hybristophilia" in Psychology Today https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/in-excess/201310/passion-victim which seems to support your objection.

The Examples section seems to be a magnet for inappropriate entries. Most of the entries currently listed have no sources supporting their inclusion as examples of hybristophilia, and no mention of hybristophilia o or related behaviour in their articles. Meters (talk) 18:26, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

I have removed entries with no sources and no mention of hybristophilia ralated activity in their articles in these edits. Meters (talk) 18:46, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I posted that a while ago, and I had forgotten all about this. Thanks for the info, the updates, and the edits. And thanks for "pinging" me, to make me aware of this posting. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:49, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

With regard to deceased perpetrators (like Adam Lanza, Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, etc.): Maybe the term "hybristophilia" simply means that they have "fans" and "groupies" (even if they are dead)? Maybe the term is just used very loosely in that sense? Who knows? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:52, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Yup. it seems like it. I've done what I can, so I guess we need someone to provide a really solid definition of the term. Meters (talk) 18:58, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:59, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Luka Rocco Magnotta?

Luka Rocco Magnotta has also Groupies.--Aitor Zapatero (talk) 16:10, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

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Paraphilias inside the DSM-V (2013 edition update)

Hello and sorry to bother you. I read your article and, though it sounds promising as a paraphilia, it is not included in the DSM-V in Paraphilias, and it is not cited in ICD 11 as a paraphilia, either. I understand it may go into that category, but it is not categorized as one, so maybe the term 'Paraphilia' is not correctly used?. I thought you should know. Below I list both sources of information.

American Psychiatric Association. (2013). Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders (5th ed.). Arlington, VA: American PSychiatric Association. World Health Organization. (2018). International classification of diseases for mortality and morbidity statistics (11th Revision). Retrieved from https://icd.who.int/browse11/l-m/en — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.117.89 (talk) 11:51, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

It would probably fall under Paraphilia not otherwise specified.

http://www.antoniocasella.eu/archipsy/KAFKA_2009.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seeker718 (talk • contribs) 19:11, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

The Mis-use of Terms

Because of the mis-use of the term 'Terrorist' is something of a media-diven fashion, should not this article avoid using the word in place of 'Mass Murderer' or 'Serial Killer'? 95.147.153.58 (talk) 18:55, 6 January 2024 (UTC)