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Mna ndingu Magaba, mngqosini,Nozinga..... ndizalwa yintombi yasemantlaneni, ndifuna ingcaciso okanye imvelaphi yamantlane.♥ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.14.136.216 (talk) 14:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, yes, clans... Do you have any idea how complicated this is!? Praise names, sub-clans, super-clans, nations, all with confusing names (are the amaNgwenya and Bakoena related? Do the royal Bafokeng have anything to do with the Bafokeng sub-clan of Bakwena? Is my family Bahlakwana or Batebang? Or both? Should I care!?). Sorry, but I just spent the whole day today working on 1 of those 2 papers I said I would write, so I'm feeling a bit lazy... Try asking me a specific question? Zyxoas (talk to me - I'll listen) 22:38, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Um, okay. No I didn't have any idea it was that complicated (I'd never even heard of clan names till I came across this in "Clicking with Xhosa"! But now I understand why Zolani from Freshlyground starts off a lyric with "Dlamini!" in Nomvula...). So how does it work? Is a praise name different from a clan name? Are they all hereditory, or are some earned? (such as praise names) And are surnames just a European import, or do they exist along with all these others? *Sigh* I've just realised just how much work needs to be done on indigenous African cultures - things seem to be falling into place in my head about the shadows you were talking about on African Traditional Religion, family, ubuntu, and clan/family/sub-clan structure... Joziboy 17:14, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, most "surnames" are from clan names (I think...) so mine would be "small shield" ("Thejane") and they are inherited through the male line. Although, when my "neighbour's" husband died (the family is from kwaZulu) it was a bit weird having to deal with 5 different surnames (the 2 sons, the wife, and the brother), but it was a common law marriage (not traditional or "legal"). Anyway... Most of the time someone mentions a small "tribe" they actually mean a self-contained clan (Moshoeshoe's Bakotedi, Mantathisi's Batlokwa, Shaka's amaZulu). They traditionally lived in close villages headed by a clan chief, who might be appointed by the nation's king (if they're part of a nation). It's only under extraordinary circumstances that nations rise up (like Difaqane) but they tend to be volatile, being kept together if they develop a unique culture or language (or not - just look at all the different nations that speak isiXhosa).

Many people have surnames different from their clan names, like people who changed their surnames during Apartheid (Grootboom-Mthimkhulu, Olifant-Tlou). I think they sometimes would have been earned by a great ancestor (Lepoqo, whose descendants have Moshesh and Moshoeshoe as surnames). I think it's only nowadays when surnames are necessary that people have diligently used the same praise-names (although there are some so ancient that no one knows what they mean). Sometimes families changed nations and keep their surnames (all those Northern Basotho named Mahlangu, amaZulu named Radebe/Hadebe, my mother's family's isiNdebele surname Miya). Sometimes, as in English, they're simply adjectives (amaZulu named Muthwa - Khoisan, Basotho named Mokone - Nguni) but I'm not sure if they have a different praise-name. Anyway... Zyxoas (talk to me - I'll listen) 19:04, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please include the following Clan name[edit]

Qhudeni, Ngoza, thukela, Mthembu, Thibane, oo-Makhonz'egoduka

MY NAME IS ANELISA MAGWASHU MY CLAN NAME IS MAMNTLANE FROM THE NDLAMBE CRIBE. ACTUALY I HAVE GOT CLANS MAMNTLANE AND MAMNTANDE, MAMNTLANE IS MY MOTHERS AND MANTANDE IS MY FATHERS. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND EVERY ONE SHOULD BE USING THIER FATHERS CLAN BUT BECOUSE MY FATHER WAS NEVER A PART OF MY LIFE SO I ENDED UP MY MOTHERS THATS HOW ITS DONE IN MY CLAN. FROM WHAT I KNOW CLAN NAMES WERE NAMES OF OUR UNSESTOR AS MY CLAN NAME IS MAMNTLANE THAT MEANS IN MY FAMILY THERE WAS A ANSETSTOR BY THAT NAME BUT BCZ OF THE APARTEID ERA THEY NEEDED A SECOND NAME FOR WHAT EVER RESEON AND THATS WHERE SURNAMES COME FROM.

I ALSO HAVE A QUATION NOW THAT AM GROWN I WOULD LIKE TO USE MA FATHERS CLAN COZ ITS MORE POPULAR BUT I DONT WANT TO FEEL LIKE AM BETRAYING THE PEOPLE WHO RAISED WHILE MY FATHER WOULD NT WAT DO U DO IN MY SECUATION —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.247.58.130 (talk) 15:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

U-Gaba, Umsuthu, unozinga, Umntomlambo! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.25.56.228 (talk) 14:42, 4 August 2009 (UTC) Ukuphendula nje kulentetha ingasentla kaloku ngokwaka xhosa untwana ozalwe yintombi ungumntwana walapho kulontombi, kaloku wokhumbula ukuba izinyanya oqhelene nazo nezikwenze zakukhusela wade wakulendawo ukuyo namhlanje zezasemantlaneni, xa ufuna ukuzigodusa kewena wophalala njengamanzi kuba 1. asukuba izinyanya zakho ziyakucaphukela kukuthi nje uyasuka kuzo uya kwezinye ezingakwaziyo kwaphela, wonzakale kengoku..... 2. Xa seleukwelacala ufika pha wenze izinto ezingenziwayopha, futhi unyathele kwimihlaba ekunganyathelwayo kuyo wonzakale kengoku 3.Awukwazi ukubuya umva ungakwazi nokuya phambili...[reply]

AmaQhinebe origin.[edit]

Makhomanzi.

AmaQhinebe ngamaGcaleka, le yingcaciso endiyifumana kumaQhinebe noko asele ekhulile.

Umzekelo amaQhinebe ayazibophelela ngokuthi angavumi ukuba anda de kubekho izindlu ezahlukeneyo ngoku.

e.g (1) uQhinebe uzala Haha uzala Mlunjwa uzala Tyibo noMatyeni yena azale uMngxuma kanti uTyibo uzala ababalandelayo

amawele uChamama noSomadobo kunye noTyhenge nentombi uNothungashe UChamama wandile ndiyayazi indzala yakhe. Kanti yena uNothungashe zange ende yiyolonto ukwazi ukufumana amaQhinebe angoThungashe. Ke yena uTyhenge omnye wenzala yakhe uyayinika lembali.

Ke mna ke ndiphuma kweliwele lingu Somadobo. uSomadobo ubenabafazi abathathu kwindlu enkulu uzele u Tofile

UTofile yena nenzala yakhe baseGcuwa, bandile phaya. Mna ke ndiphuma ekunene lika Somadobo, kunyana uNGQENGQA. Yena ke uphaya eNqabarha. Uzele naye uNgqengqa abantwaba abaninzi. Kubo ngu Hlabiskhumba ozele u Vellem Ozele uMasakhane/Hlokomile ozala Mna Mthetheleli Khumbizile Vellem

I was trying to show that sibanye singamaQhinebe futhi sandile. Ndithi ke singamaGcaleka thina. Ewe kukho amaQhinebe athi wona angamaMpondomise kuba athi ashiyekela ngemva ngexesha lemfuduko. UMatyeni ozala ungxuma nguyena owabuyela ekhaya khulu lakwaMlunjwa, yiyo ke lonto amaQhinebe athi angamaMpondimise.

IN ESSENCE I WANT TO BELIEVE THAT AMAQHINEBE AZALWE NGEXESHA LIKAPHALO AND MY UNQUALIFIED RESEARCH TELLS ME THAT TYIBO SON OF MLUNJWA PLAYED A MAJOR ROLE DURING HINTSA WAR/ GCUWA BATTLE.

MY RESEARCH CONTINUES. PLS ENGAGE COME WITH OWN RESEARCH.

MNA KE NDINGUQHINEBE UGQUGQUGQU UZITHONGA ZITHATHU UHAHA UMKHOMANZI, UMLUNJWA, INKONJANE EMNYAMA EDLALAEMAFINI. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.145.211.78 (talk) 10:14, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Amaqhinebe asingomagwala siyazilwela izwe Zoniwe (talk) 09:27, 25 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Amaqhinebe asingomagwala siyazilwela izwe Zoniwe (talk) 09:28, 25 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OoSihuba[edit]

Ndiyabhotisa. Ndingu Nathi Sishuba, uMbongo, uMbuyisa, uMvemnyama, uNgqalela, uMathomana... ndiye ndibhideke ndakufika phaya ekhaya eMthatha ndive abanye OoSishuba bakwaphaya ekhaya ngqo bezibiza ngoZibula, ooNomandla, Sihlahla somnquma, ooMtlwana... bendifuna ukuphononga ukuba ingaba siyibhuda phi lento kuba akunakwenzeka sithi sizalwa endlini enye siphinde sibize iziduko ezingafaniyo.

Xa ndisiva, ukhokhokazi wafumana abantwana eyintombi yaye ke nje ngokwesiko lesiXhosa abantwana baye babiza ifani nesiduko sakulomama, lento iyandibhida ngenene kuba andibazi OoSishuba abazibiza ukuba bangoZibula, yaye lengxoxo ishushu kwaphaya ngaphakathi endlini.

Kuye kuthiwe ke ngamanye amaxesha xa umntu ebuza nje ngomntana efuna ukuqonda indlela, athi uMakhulu sindwebile.

Ndingayivuyela ingcazelo banzi ngomzi wakwaSishuba, amaBongo, ooMbuyisa futhi ndifuna nokwazi nangoZibula uba udibana njani noSishuba.

Enkosi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.2.89.177 (talk) 13:37, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unification of all the Deyi Clan[edit]

Herewith, a critical notitfication / invitation# all persons of these family identity names are hither invited to recognise themselves as Part of the Deyi clan, for the closure of needus mantle to render some space to consider their relations a meeting of foes and family. Happy Days Deyi All, Omigoes, Thupet Mareng Manifhai Phraahkpe Sai. Negeris Hoeteraferus

Ncume; Cume; Cum; Wei; Wayisi; Bhhangushe; Bhengu; Cebisa; Deyiso; Dei; Deii; Gabisa; Manzini; Mdeyi; Mtame; Hlathi; Hlabe; Mjoli; Makhoba; Mako; Xolo; Meko; Ngcolosi; Sengwayo; Mthwakazi; Jabavu; Nonina; Dlakana; Ngilana; Ndleko; Vezi; Ndeki; Murr; Mazimba; Nkuna; Mbokazi; Wushe; Khusi; Khusher; Sinyali; Phakwe; Pepu; Mphephu; Babalo; Phaala; Phoi; Hambashe; Ham; Herr; Nkatha; Nkhatha; Gwabibi; Gqwaru; Ngoni; Ngozi; Fusana; Geda; Phephu; Ndudane; Farru; Fini; Finini; Mbelani; Bhekiswa; Bekiso; Mase; Manci; Mancini; Noconjo; Zikhali; Mzungulu; Zungulu; Mzungu; Mphafane; Kheswa; Mphafa; Qamata; Qubulashe; Gqigqigqi; Duur; Diya; Diko; Xhonti; Ntoyanto; Xarru; Xhakaza; Xakaza; Shwawu; Mshwawu; Zotsho; Somdeyi; Sukwini; Mahoyi; Motsa; Zungu; Velelo; Valela; Phaala; Mtebele; Lambatha; Nduli; Mbovu; Xoi; Xarr; Sarru; Soreh; Soi; and Noma-Ndzo-Ndzo ka Phika'ne'langa

Ozithobayo

Xhaaleekoo Zolile Ncume Xum Xem Ka Deyi Ka Qamata — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.237.20.122 (talk) 10:50, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

CAN YOU PLEASE ADD BHATSHE CLAN. NDINGUMABHATSHE UMAMPUKU MAKHWEKHWANA, ISIKHUNI SOMTHATHI NESOMTHOLE ESIQUTYWA SINGEVA UMFAZI OBELELINYE PHESHEYA KOMLANJANA.

PLEASE CAN YOU ADD I WANT TO KNOW WHERE I CAME FROM.

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What on earth is going on[edit]

This article needs to be completely redone. 90% of it is examples, much of it is just someone writing random commentary in Xhosa, and references are virtually nowhere to be found. CJ Meyer (talk) 17:50, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love it. Totorotroll (talk) 20:38, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ngwevu[edit]

What about amaNgwevu Night Knight 801 (talk) 07:51, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Xhosa Clans[edit]

The Xhosa people have different clans and ritual ceremonies performed.The clan of Myirha is a clan oftenly used in Transkei.UMamyirha iye ibengumfazi ze indoda ibengu Myirha.OoMyirha ke ngooZondi,OoZondi nguSampu,USampu nguZiyeka ithambolenyoka lihlaba elimzondayo. 41.116.43.146 (talk) 11:28, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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