Talk:Varietal

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Definition[edit]

This page needs to be corrected. A varietal is more general, it's any food product that comes from (and tastes like) a specific geographic region.

Examples of varietals

Wine
Coffee
Honey
Olive Oil —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.143.120.2 (talk • contribs)

You are more then welcomed to add that information with a reliable source to cite. Unfortunately, none of my sources have that info. They only speak of it in the wine context. Agne 20:02, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added the word "primarily" to the first sentence, so that it reads: Varietal describes wines made primarily from a single named grape variety. Without the word primarily, the sentence is interpreted as stating that a varietal is made from 100% of a single named grape, which is not correct. Authority: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition, 2000, definition of varietal. SilverFox Wiki 23:28, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Varietal is a horticultural term, not specific to grapes. In English the term specific to grapes is cépage (loanword from French). This article may need to become a disambiguation page. --Una Smith (talk) 20:20, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Cépage" is not yet generally accepted as an English word, furthermore in French it only references vine variety and is mostly pejorative, whereas "varietal" properly only references wine and is mostly appreciative. The Oxford Companion to Wine (this version) I suggest: "A varietal is more general, it is either any food product that comes from (and tastes like) a specific geographic region, or any wine made primarily from a named specific grape variety (but NOT necessarily regionally-specific)." comment added by Son of RML (talk) 13:14, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The OED lists as the primary definition for "varietal"

"Biol., Bot., and Min. Of or pertaining to, connected with, indicating, etc., a distinct variety of animal, plant, or mineral. Opposed to specific or generic."

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And they list usages of this that date back to 1866, almost 80 years before the earliest cited use for wine specifically.

So I removed the sentence that said it was incorrect to use "varietal" to refer to the vines.

129.93.4.45 (talk) 17:24, 16 March 2016 (UTC)Aaron Elliott[reply]

OK, that's a reasonable argument except for two things:

1. We already had a reliable source cited for the statement you removed.

2. In the context of wine (not horticultural), the term varietal refers to a wine made from one variety of grape. In the winemaking world, it's considered incorrect to refer to the vine as a "varietal". ~Amatulić (talk) 23:15, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/221555

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Cépage[edit]

Cépage redirects here but the article doesn't mention the word at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseph Hewes (talk • contribs) 04:18, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttp://www.oed.com/view/Entry/221555

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