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Probably inaccurate inf. moved here from the article[edit]

I removed the following excerpt from the article:

"The title was also awarded to an American:

Scott Sonnon (1993 World University Games Sambo Silver Medalist, 1994 Pan-American Champion, 1995 USA Grand National Champion, USA National Sambo Team Coach in 1993-1995, 1999) Scott Sonnon Biography"

I've done this for the following reasons: the citation supplied doesn't mention, that Sonnon was the "Master of Sports of the USSR". It just shows, that he was licensed as the first "non-Russian instructor of Russian Martial Art ROSS" in 1996, i. e. 5 years after the breakup of the Soviet Union. According to the citation, the Master of Sport in SAMBO and Judo was Alexander Retuinskih, along with whom Sonnon was licensed as the instructor, it doesn't say anything on whether Sonnon himself was the Master of Sports or not.

If one could provide a citation, that Sonnon was awarded the title of "Master of Sports of the USSR" or "Master of Sports of Russia", please do so, in this case we'll add this information into the article again. Cmapm 13:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Verified[edit]

I reinstated the title since this link verifies his Distinguished Master of Sport title:

http://www.rmaxinternational.com/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=74&Itemid=134 http://www.usadojo.com/biographies/scott-sonnon.htm —The preceding unsigned comment was added by B-ham (talk • contribs) 21:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Thanks for the first link, it's clear now, that he was awarded the title "Distinguished Master of Sport". But could it be further clarified, when he was awarded this title? Was it the Soviet Union or Russia already, that honoured him? Cmapm 00:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect Information[edit]

I removed that information about Scott Sonnen again. Those links show that this athlete was awarded the title by "American Amateur Sambo Federation" and not the Soviet Union. 72.90.224.88 12:57, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Russian National Sport of Sambo, yes. B-ham 14:00, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

this article is about the Unified Sports Classification System of the USSR. The listing of an athlete that got an honorary title from an American amateur association is completely out of place here. It might work in another article, but not this one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.90.224.88 (talk) 23:49, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested third opinion[edit]

I have requested a third opinion on appropriateness of the reference to Scott Sonnon and the links to his biography for the reasons stated above, i.e. according to the very validation link posted here, never was a Master of Sport for the Soviet Union, but recieved that title from the "American Amateur Sambo Federation." I maintain that mentioning him in this article is completely inappropriate. 72.90.224.88 00:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Third opinion[edit]

I have read through the sources. I can see where the confusion has come from, as the sources are not clear. However, reading carefully, there is no evidence that Scott Sonnen was a Master of Sport for the Soviet Union. It would be highly inappropriate for him to be listed on this article. Regards. SilkTork *SilkyTalk 11:26, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Third opinion[edit]

Is using sources (entire RMAX site, USADojo blurb) which are generated by Scott Sonnon as to what he was awarded appropriate at all as proof of his actual awarded title? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.37.203.74 (talk) 20:24, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Probably he bought a badge in some souvenir shop? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.35.131.139 (talk) 01:14, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Distinguished Master of Sport[edit]

It was my understanding that Distinguished master of sport was a further "rank" above honourable/merited/ master of sport. I will see if I can dig out any references. Onesti (talk) 14:05, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Humm, quick search shows nothing in English, and my russian is none existant. From what I can dig up though, there is no such thing as a honourable/merited MoS in the Russian structure. This may have been bought into Russian sports in America though Onesti (talk) 14:15, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed back the last edit done by russiansambofederation to a previous one. As with last edit, there is no evidence to suggest distinguished also included honourable/merited in Russia, so I've changed to show the same setup as other wiki pages with this system noted 82.111.16.162 (talk) 09:10, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the current setup (honourable/merited removed) until additional infromation is cited. HolJah (talk) 17:04, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was confused about this myself, having originally read the following in the Sambo (martial art) Wikipedia article:

In Russia, a competitive rating system is used rather than belt colors like judo and jujitsu to demonstrate rank, though some schools around the world now institute belt colors as well. The rating system is called Unified Sports Classification System of the USSR, with the highest athletic distinction known as the Distinguished Masters of Sport in Sambo.

The first citation link there was broken but I managed to find this elsewhere on that site: http://www.sambo-asia.org/en/about/discharges/. The second citation has the same information: http://www.sambo.in/sambo_ranking.html. I haven't been able to find any other credible citations online regarding the USCS of the USSR. Perhaps the Distinguished Master of Sport is unique to Sambo. --Cdfbrown (talk) 02:42, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Sluiter?[edit]

There are a few sentences about a Dutch field hockey player Mark Sluiter becoming a Master of Sports. This is also on his own wikipedia page in Dutch, but no reference either. I have looked all over the web and cannot find any confirmation of him receiving this award. Of course the club is now defunct and this must have been in the 1980s so it may just not be online. However, I think this should be removed until it can be confirmed. Wikimandia (talk) 16:16, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]