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North Korea[edit]

North Korea actually did not support UNITA, it supported the MPLA. This, in fact, is largely what contributed to the cooling of relations between Zaire and North Korea during the 1970s (culminating, in 1977, with the withdrawal of North Korean military advisors). source

DPRK supported UNITA, extensively, as detailed in the source I provided. Please sign your posts with four tildes (~). Perspicacite 04:46, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
1977? The MPLA started fighting against the Portuguese in 1961. Your evidence is that they started working with the MPLA sixteen years after they resorted to armed conflict? Perspicacite 04:55, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm aware of that. 1977 is the year North Korea withdrew its military advisors, not the year it started supporting the MPLA. However, I concede the point, I was unaware N.K. had actually supported the MPLA. Josh 04:04, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing ideology[edit]

So what about the UNITA of today? What do they stand for? In the past their ideology has shifted from Maoism to social democracy to conservatism. At present is UNITA a party of the Right, Left or Centre? They seem, ironically enough as of 2008 to be taking a leftwing line against the MPLA, by complaining that the nation's oil wealth has not been distributed to Angola's impoverished majority.

Can anyone help in this area? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.239.105.104 (talk) 00:28, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

UNITA was never a Maoist party. According to Savimbi, it was a democratic socialist party (see the Quotes section on his page), and Savimbi told the U.S. media in the mid-1980s "I consider myself a democratic socialist." Josh (talk) 23:46, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the article should focus more on his ideology (or lack thereof) and the fact that UNITA wasn't initially an anti-communist rebel group. Savimbi went from proclaiming a people's war against the US imperialists and Portuguese colonialists while praising Mao and socialism, to posturing as an ardent foe of socialism. The latter, however, was only when dealing with the West. At home he presented his battles as against the Mestiço elite and against the MPLA's supposed pseudo-concern for the peasantry. He was a pretty impressive opportunist.

There are two online reads (neither in English) on Savimbi's ideology (though the latter is focused more on his overall life):

  • The article "A história secreta da ideologia da Unita," which can be found on AngoNotícias;
  • The article "'ЧЕРНЫЙ ПЕТУХ' АНГОЛЫ," which can be found on Africana.ru. --Ismail (talk) 07:03, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This issue should be covered in a section dedicated to UNITA's ideology, I myself am quite confused as to what their past and present views are (I'm just confused about the MPLA's views, that page could also use an ideology section). Charles Essie (talk) 22:05, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

CIA influence in this article[edit]

This article has a clear pro-CIA bias. Probably written by some deep-south segregationist as an apologia for their personal involvment in their failed attempt to prop up apartheid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.195.81.207 (talk) 13:11, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this article is very biased. It doesn't mention that the governments of Mandela and Mbeki continued supplying UNITA after the end of the apartheid in South Africa. They supported UNITA to the extent that the MPLA called for international sanctions against South Africa- in 1998.

Prunier, Gerard. From Genocide to Continental War. page 190 and page 421, note 55. Also found in IRIN dispatch September 15, 1998 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.158.40.165 (talk) 01:35, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What year did the CIA stop its relations with UNITA? What year did the United States stop its relations with UNITA? I hope further edits to this article answer those questions. JoshNarins (talk) 23:54, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

After 1992 the USA stopped supporting UNITA, since by that time the ruling MPLA had agreed to abandon its claims to Marxism-Leninism, had allowed other political parties, and had adopted neoliberal economic reforms. UNITA from 1992-1997 was supported by Zaire. --Ismail (talk) 18:45, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Move[edit]

So today an IP attempted to move this article to National Union for the Total Independence of Angola via a cut and paste move, which is . . . less than ideal. It's been reverted, but does anyone think this article would be better at that title? If so we can move it properly. I just want a consensus to point to first. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 02:32, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think the current title should be kept. Whenever i read history and news-related books they always refer to UNITA rather than the full name. Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 11:03, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, UNITA was referred to the world over by its acronym rather than its full, slightly unwieldy name. Same thing goes for the MPLA and FNLA. --Ismail (talk) 22:17, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the role of South African mercenaries in MPLA's fight against UNITA[edit]

I feel like this article in general is really barebones and deliberately hides the role that Executive Outcomes had in assisting the MPLA in their fight against Unita. Specially in aiding the MPLA taking back from UNITA several mines which were being used to fund UNITA's war effort. This must be corrected. 179.35.13.37 (talk) 03:38, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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