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The population, area, or density figures are wrong. 168,782 people, 142.6 sq mi, 16,771/sq mi. I believe the area is the area for the city as a whole

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There is not a brand new WAL-MART in the shopping center i deleted that info. WAL-MART has been there for years. IKEA was the first new store at Columbus Commons. I also added the name, because it was left out.UnReaL 00:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Removed history of Pat's[edit]

I removed several lines from the Places of Interest that, while interesting, digressed into a history of the Philly cheesesteak. I'll look at the relevant article to see if it's containted there and add if necessary.

Not verified, Demographics[edit]

This mainly has to do with the information in the second para, though none of the information in the section as a whole is cited. The information seems to have been added by the same user who is know to add information about demographics on the Pennsylvania article, as well as several other articles involving places in PA. The user normally edits under a ip address and lists his source as simply www.census.gov. However other users as well as my self have not been able to verify any of these stats either by the census website or other websites, also considering that the information being put into the article by the user was for stats that the census had yet to even compile. The stats in the section should be considered dubious at best and should be considered for removal unless a credible, verifiable , source can be found and cited. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 05:00, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are ther no Black people in South Philly? Last I read, Blacks are between 31% and 33% of South Philly's population. Clearly, Blacks outnumber Italian-Americans and Irish-Americans as components of the South Philadelphia population.. Why this population is not mentioned is not clear to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wf1947 (talk • contribs) 06:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

South Philly's changing demographics reflect new populatons coming in while older enclaves remain albeit reduced in size. Here is an example of change relected in Phila. School District and archdiocese of Phila. High School populations. In 1965, South Philadelphia High School had a majority white enrollment; the two Roman Catholic High Schools had a combined 5600 to 5700 enrollment that was possibly 97% Non-Hispanic white; in 2008. South Philadelphia HS is majority Black students with Non-Hispanic whites making up 9% of the students- a smaller percentage than the Asian students who are the second highest number and Percentage of the enrollment; meanwhile, the two Catholic HS's now have a combined enrollment of 1015 that is much more diverse - 15% Black ,11% % Asian, 3% Latino, and 71% Non-Hispanic White. This is a remarkable transformation over a 40year period. ( Rick C 6/16/2008) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.21.23.129 (talk) 15:45, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hippies[edit]

Where DO all the hippies meet? This article is missing any references to rock music history, opera singers of other musical history. Also no refs to famous S. Philadelphians. Let's go fellow S philly-ites. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cherrywood (talk • contribs).

Unsourced and POVness[edit]

"On many of the corners there is a pizzeria or a family-owned variety store."

Says who? Nice colorful tourist-brochure imagery, but in fact just subjective and unproven infotainment. 100% Wikiality.

"Many residents have lived in the neighborhood for decades. "

Ditto

"It is an area rich in immigrant culture"

"Rich" and "culture" are unmeasurable, and thus worthless qualifiers. Just marketing speak.

"South Philadelphia is traditionally working-class and highly unionized. This has resulted in a heavily Democratic populace."

This is wrong on so many levels. Traditionally? What's traditional about it? One, there's no proof offered. Secondly, working-class is subjective. What does Union membership have to do with that? And finally... adding Democratic voting into that mix is a opinion-biased value-judgment.

No evidence to show recent Italian immigration to Philadelphia[edit]

An increase in immigration has given South Philadelphia significant populations from Italy, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, China, Russia, and Mexico, as well as smaller populations from dozens of nations across the world.

I'm not sure if it was a typo, because they spoken of Italian-American's later, but there has been no significant immigration from Italy to South Philadelphia, or Philadelphia period, in a very long time. Probably nearly a century. The same can be said to pretty much all the U.S., but I'll take Italy out of there and leave the rest of the countries. Here's how it'll read:

An increase in immigration has given South Philadelphia significant populations from Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, China, Russia, and Mexico, as well as smaller populations from dozens of nations across the world.


Also, this isn't on the same topic, but it's insulting to African-Americans to not mention them as a primary ethnicity in the neighborhood, yet mention other's. I know it might seem as unique to Philadelphia, since the city has a high African-American population, and it's lower than the average of the city, but to not mention it, yet groups such as Cambodians or Russians, who probably combine don't even add up to one percent, is peculiar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.245.112.131 (talk) 17:09, 18 May 2009 (UTC) Tom71.245.112.131 (talk)[reply]

How could South Philadelphia nearly entirely be all Catholic if African-American's make up significant proportion?[edit]

South Philadelphia's immigration, primarily from Italy and Ireland, lead to the neighborhood becoming almost all Roman Catholic.

This statement deliberately and nearly intentionally disregards African-American's. The article even mentions African-American migrants impact on South Philadelphia. Most arrived at the same time as Italian and Polish Catholic immigrants. Most African-Americans are not Catholic, but rather Baptist or Protestant denominations. Also, if African-American's currently make up about 30% of South Philadelphia's population, it would have had to been much more in the early-twentieth century, since most Latino, Asian and Eastern European immigrants have not arrived. It could have been as high as 40-50% of the population, meaning it's possible Catholics didn't make up the majority of South Philadelphia's population back than.


The area continued to grow, becoming a vital part of Philadelphia's large industrial base and attracting immigrants from Italy, Ireland, Poland, and many other countries, as well as Black American migrants from the southern United States, in the 19th and early 20th centuries.

After this quote, here's another quote that completely disregards African-American's influence on South Philadelphia.

These immigrants became the basis of South Philadelphia's unique and vibrant culture that would develop over the next several decades.

African-Americans who came to Philadelphia in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century were obviously not immigrants, but rather migrants. Their reasons for leaving their respective places has similarities and differences, but the reason they chose South Philadelphia was mostly the same, which was industrialization, which provided lots of jobs. So, I'll be adding and migrants after These immigrants. Here's how it'll read.

These immigrants and migrants became the basis of South Philadelphia's unique and vibrant culture that would develop over the next several decades. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.245.112.131 (talk) 17:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC) Tom71.245.112.131 (talk)[reply]

Revising and adding quotes[edit]

Many of South Philadelphia's communities are largely Italian American, and many neighborhoods in South Philadelphia are known as "Little Italys."

Without reference to what neighborhoods those are and citation to back that, the part of the sentence after the comma is useless.

I'll be adding this under the history tab too.

African-Americans are the largest ethnicity in South Philadelphia, constituting for 33% of the population.

It is a fact that African-Americans are the largest ethnicity in South Philadelphia, constituting for 33% of the city's population, which is 2-3 percent higher than Italian-Americans. It may be more unique that South Philadelphia has a percentage of an Italian population 4 to 5 times the average of Philadelphia. And South Philadelphia is actually about 10% less African-American than the average of Philadelphia. It doesn't negate the fact that African-American's are the largest ethnicity in this section of the city though. TomNyj0127 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:41, 15 September 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Border Commentary[edit]

I think it is relevant to add that Market Street is additionally considered the northern border. I have grown up knowing them as that, as have many others. Anybody else agree? NecroticallyDelicious (talk) 02:53, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is no recent Italian immigration to South Philadelphia[edit]

Many of South Philadelphia's communities are largely Italian American. An increase in immigration has given South Philadelphia significant populations from Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Italy, Russia, and Mexico, as well as smaller populations from dozens of nations across the world.

This quote is misleading and shows irrelevance. It starts out by mentioning many of South Philadelphia's communities are largely Italian American which is accurate. Than it says there are immigrants from several obvious countries and throws Italy into that mix. Italian immigrants in the late-nineteenth and early-twentieth century were previously mentioned in the article along with Irish and Polish immigrants, and black American migrants from the south. There is no present wave of Italian immigrant to South Philadelphia nor has there been for ~85+ years. Please cite sources when you write things that are obviously skeptical. Also, do not re-post information after that has been deleted without saying you'll do so. That is disrespectful.

TomNyj0127 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:37, 29 March 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Incomplete and uncited quote[edit]

South Philadelphia is traditionally working-class and highly unionized. This has resulted in a heavily Democratic populace.

This quote is not cited and doesn't make sense. The reason South Philadelphia is mostly Democrat is because the rest of the city is and much of the region is. The whole city and smaller cities in the surrounding area have always been unionized. Please explain more or provide more citation. TomNyj0127 (talk) 21:40, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Still no citation to claim that there are a significant amount of modern Italian immigrants in South Philadelphia[edit]

I will continue to delete Italy from being named one of the modern immigrant countries to South Philadelphia until citation is provided. I've asked for you to provide a citation and/or explanation and you refuse to. We will just keep going back and forth until than. TomNyj0127 (talk) 15:56, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong link for Maria Goretti[edit]

Resolved

The link provided for St. Maria Goretti High School takes you to some school in Maryland, and not the page for the (former) high school in South Philly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Syounan Taji (talk • contribs) 06:11, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. - SummerPhD (talk) 01:12, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced[edit]

I've removed unsourced claims, mostly concerning the ethnic make-up of the area twice. Please do not update or "correct" this information without citing reliable sources. Mentioning or describing sources in the edit summary is not the same as citing them. Thanks. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:54, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Crime[edit]

The "Crime" section seems to me to be ... er ... a little weak! Like: Do dealers anywhere actually publicise their activities? As from a certain level of secretiveness, there ain't a drugs problem, 'cos no one knows where to score. And surely, in South Philly, there's more stuff going down than just this??? More on this, from someone who knows the scene, would be very interesting. Maelli (talk) 16:27, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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