Talk:Samia Suluhu Hassan

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Good articleSamia Suluhu Hassan has been listed as one of the Social sciences and society good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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DateProcessResult
November 21, 2023Good article nomineeNot listed
March 9, 2024Good article nomineeListed
In the newsA news item involving this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "In the news" column on March 18, 2021.
Current status: Good article

Untitled section[edit]

Isn't there a better picture? Pictures of people with their mouth open always look bad. Do wiki editors want to shame her or something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.35.35.42 (talk) 18:54, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

While I don't think that the picture looks particularly bad, the German Wikipedia has another one that you might like better.93.240.89.237 (talk) 16:37, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is tough as The Government of Tanzania does not have an official copyright policy. Therefore all portrait pictures taken of her through government resources are copyright. Just have to hope she takes some good pictures when in Europe or the United States. Sputink (talk) 16:21, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Political stance[edit]

Please, if you have knowledge of it, help create and complete a section about her political positioning. We currently only have her path to presidency, nothing on what she stands for and her political vision. Yug (talk) 21:22, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, please do. We see "female" this and that no less than 8 times in the text but almost zilch about her political views as running mate and supporter of her predecessor. Is she following his policy of LGBT suppression or not? Days have passed and somehow policies are not as notable as "female"? Martindo (talk) 00:55, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

She has said negative things about LGBT as usual but on the ground it's more denial and hasn't persecuted anybody for being gay Nlivataye (talk) 08:43, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hassan or Suluhu ?[edit]

CNN uses Hassan as a last name here: [1] Are we incorrect? Rmhermen (talk) 18:11, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reuters as well: [2] [3] [4] Rmhermen (talk) 18:34, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Rmhermen: I'm not certain on this one, but I don't think it's correct to use Hassan as a "surname" in this case. It's more of an additional name, while Suluhu is her principal surname. There could be a case for moving the article to the longer name, as it does seem to occur frequently in sources including those from East Africa, but I don't think we should switch the later mentions in the body of the article from Suluhu to Hassan.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:24, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment per this discussion and the one at [5], I've made a WP:BOLD decision move the article to Samia Suluhu Hassan, amending the ITN text accordingly. My two-pence-worth, based on what I can see in sources would be that:
    • Her full name is certainly Samia Suluhu Hassan. A large majority of sources do call her by that full name on first mention, including many in Tanzania itself and in East Africa.
    • My suspicion is that, despite the above, her "surname" (or the closest equivalent thereto) and the name by which we should refer to her outside of the title, is still Suluhu. If this theory is correct, the "Hassan" would be a sort of bolt-on to the end of her name, similar to how Cristiano Ronaldo's full name is actually "Cristiano Ronaldo dos Santos Aveiro". This theory matches sources such as [6] and those mentioned above (and including her Twitter account) which don't include Hassan at all. The only sources I can see that are calling her just "Hassan" seem to be US, Australian and European sources, and I suspect they've simply got the naming convention wrong.
    • I therefore recomment that we *stick to using Suluhu* in the main body of this page.
    As usual, if anyone objects to any of this, then they may revert me or challenge me accordingly.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:26, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Religion[edit]

Judging by her photo, and indeed referenced in the article, Suluhu is a Muslim. Shouldn't this be mentioned in the "Personal life" section?--TrottieTrue (talk) 17:08, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Firefangledfeathers (talk · contribs) 01:41, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Hello Thebiguglyalien and thank you for working on this interesting and important article. I'll have the first main part of my review out to you in about 24 hours, but I thought you might like to review the diff of changes since your last work on the article. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:41, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sorry, just one more item for now. Unexpected personal life issues. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:42, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Review now on hold. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:13, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      • The seven-day hold period (+ a couple grace days) has passed without response from the nominator. I'm closing the nomination as failed. This article can definitely be a GA with just a little more work, and resolving the below issues would go a long way. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:26, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
        • A little late, but I've made the recommended changes and am now renominating. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 07:21, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it well written?
    A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
    B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
  2. Is it verifiable with no original research?
    A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
    B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):
    C. It contains no original research:
    D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
    B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
  4. Is it neutral?
    It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
  5. Is it stable?
    It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
  6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
    A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:
    One issue below
    B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
    One issue below
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:

Lead[edit]

  • Infobox has a marriage year that isn't cited or supported in the body. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:12, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Added a source in the body.
  • Looks like the official website link in the infobox is down and that it has been down for years. Remove? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:12, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Removed from the infobox and added an archived link under external links.

Early life and education[edit]

Images[edit]

  • Does File:Samia Suluhu.jpg's license look right to you? I can't tell where they got the CC license info from. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:56, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've removed the image and flagged it on Commons.
  • The last image caption refers to the article subject as "Samia Hassan". Is there a reason to break the consistency? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:56, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • There is not. Fixed.
  • "official visit" which shows up in the map caption, has a somewhat jargony meaning in international relations. If the map is showing more than official visits, can the caption be reworded? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:12, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Reworded.

Political career[edit]

  • "In 2000, Suluhu decided to run for public office. She was elected": the cited source doesn't mention an election. Do others? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:50, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Reworded and added a new source.
  • Can you access Mwakyusa's Daily News piece. Neither the url nor the archive url are working for me. Mind emailing me a copy? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:50, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've replaced it with the identical AllAfrica link, which was also in the article as its own source for some reason.

Ascension and swearing in[edit]

  • "Suluhu said condolences for Magufuli's death" is awkward. Could this be cut entirely? The national mourning declaration seems a more serious statement. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:47, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Removed.
  • "the third Muslim after ..." Is there a reason to mention the predecessors for this distinction but not for "second Zanzibari"? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:47, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Removed by someone else.
  • Cited NYT source says became the only female head of government in Africa at swearing-in. Worth mentioning? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:47, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Added.
  • "She was one of only two" → "She became one of only two" for future-proofing reasons. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:05, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Changed.

Presidential administration[edit]

Style of governance[edit]

  • Can you please review the section for neutrality when it comes to opinions/analysis that don't have enough attribution. The first example is "has been contrasted ... Commentators have described". Something like "Writers for Al Jazeera and New Internationalist have contrasted ..." could work, and imagine other parts of the section could be similarly fixed up. Other vague-ish phrases might themselves be supported by the sources and need no change. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:42, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Made the recommended change and added a source to another part of the section.

Non-GA-criteria items[edit]

Fixing the issues below is not required for a GA pass. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:56, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

Passed. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:18, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Firefangledfeathers (talk · contribs) 17:28, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]


I am picking up review of this second nomination. I was also the reviewer at Talk:Samia Suluhu Hassan/GA1, which was closed due to nominator inactivity. Thebiguglyalien is back at it, and I'm excited to see this head toward a likely pass. I have to start with a review of the changes made per GA1, and I'll have some feedback on that soon. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:28, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Putting this on hold. No major issues yet, and I'll have the last nitpicks out within a week. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:25, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A pass. Congrats! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:14, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Review tracker[edit]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

A clear pass.
  1. Is it well written?
    A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
    All issues addressed in GA1 plus a few small copyedits.
    B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
  2. Is it verifiable with no original research?
    A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
    B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):
    Spot checks in both reviews came up clean
    C. It contains no original research:
    D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
    Spot checks in both reviews came up clean
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
    B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
  4. Is it neutral?
    It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
    All issues identified in GA1 and below have been addressed
  5. Is it stable?
    It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
  6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
    A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:
    B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:


Items from GA1[edit]

The changes made in response to the issues brought up in GA1 all look good. The only lingering item is the neutrality of §Style of governance. I brought up the first example, ""has been contrasted ...", and that has now been fixed, but I think more works is needed in the section. There are a few opinion statements, cited to opinion sources, stated sort of vaguely in wiki-voice. The next example would be "Suluhu is instead compared ...", which is cited to an opinion piece in the BBC. This should probably be attributed. I can enumerate all of the remaining issues, but you may want to get a jumpstart on your own re-work while I work through the other sections. If you'd prefer to wait, that's also fine. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:40, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've reworked it a little bit, hopefully it looks better now. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:52, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Will have a look soon. Do you have a copy of "Tanzania: Samia Suluhu Hassan - a Tough Journey From Activism to Politics" you could email me? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:57, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The archive link should be of a non-paywalled version. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:27, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A definite improvement. Is "A sense of distrust has remained among the opposition, amplified by the persecution they experienced under her predecessor" the best way to summarize the AP source? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:49, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I reworded the sentence to make it a little more nuanced in line with the source. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:59, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

avoidance of criticism?[edit]

I'm new to the topic but preparing this article for the catalan wikipedia, it seems like, despite generally improving the state of the country, there is still lots of problems and questionable governance.

There is an important conflict/topic not being addressed in this article.

- https://witnessradio.org/urgent-alert-tanzanian-government-on-a-rampage-against-indigenous-people/ - https://www.oaklandinstitute.org/blog/epic-tanzania-tour-sportswashing-abuses-maasai

Also, I have the feeling that this article is avoiding or minimizing criticism... and thus offering a biased view.

- https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/africa/east-africa-the-horn-and-great-lakes/tanzania/report-tanzania/ - https://www.amnistia.org/en/news/2023/08/24576/tanzania-detained-critics-of-uae-port-deal-must-be-immediately-released

I may include this information in the article if you consider it appropriate. Sorneguer (talk) 08:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The purpose of Wikipedia is not to document every negative thing written about a person. The article as it stands summarizes the most commonly written things about Suluhu Hassan. It looks like you went out of your way to find negative coverage solely for the sake of adding negative coverage. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:01, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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