Talk:Post- och Inrikes Tidningar

I think this article needs an update, because this paper is not printed anymore and will only be published on the internet

In the news[edit]

World's oldest newspaper ends print version for Internet format by Nicholas Chipperfield], Agence France Presse. ^Blank ^Verse 08:13, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The change is still in the news. Here's a photo of a fascimile of the April 9 1645 edition: [1]. If it doesn't qualify for public domain status, I think a reasonable argument for fair use could be made for using the image. Blank Verse 07:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added a link to the image (don't know how long it will work) in the External Links section. Someone energetic could contact the newspaper itself and request an image from them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.6.236.11 (talk) 10:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Translation of name[edit]

Doesn't "Post och Inrikes Tidningar" really translate as "Post and Domestic Tidings"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 161.184.11.236 (talk) 20:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Tidningar seems to mean newspaper in modern Swedish... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.6.236.11 (talk) 10:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

It is true, that in modern Swedish tidningar means newspapers (plural!). The singular form is tidning. At the time, however, tidningar was only a slight modernization of Tijdender essentially meaning just news, no more. I agree tidings would be the best explanation of tijdender.
Moreover, in this connection Swedish post corresponds to mail rather than English homonym post, notwithstanding the fact that Swedish post and English post are equivalent in certain situations, says 82.182.149.179 02:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC) whose mother toungue is Swedish.[reply]

It seems to me that tidningar and tijdender best correspond to times, when used as a proper name for a newspaper (i.e. as a title). When used to mean 'newspaper', tidning obviously best corresponds to, well, "newspaper", and tidningar to "newspapers". As it is, the translation is much quirkier than it needs to be. David ekstrand (talk) 10:42, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Major Rewrite[edit]

I've done some research and done a major rewrite of the article.

An outstanding issue is what international coverage was included in Ordinari Post Tijdender -- as we see a dispatch from Hamburg, Germany in the facsimile of the 1645 edition in this news article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070205/ap_on_hi_te/sweden_oldest_newspaper

Note the "ÿ" in the facsimile image is a stylized "ij". Incidentally, this looks like it might be a spelling influence from Dutch and conceivably even a Swedishization (?) of the Dutch word "tijden" (times). The Baltic was under Dutch cultural influence at this time (confer Saint Petersburg in Russia).

Unfortunately the link above is now rotten, as it has turned discontinued by Yahoo. / 82.182.149.179 03:18, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]