Talk:Nubian pyramids

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There is no date for the construction of these pyramids, only dynasty dates...anyone out there an expert in these?

True ...I do remember, however, that one of my first (Which was some years back and now the opposite is being suggested)reads on the Nubian pyramids said that they were "older" than the pyramids in Egypt. Confusing!

HELLO WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF PYRAMIDS[edit]

I would like to see more photos of pyramids here. (75.57.96.41 21:08, 16 August 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Requested move 4 February 2017[edit]

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The result of the move request was: not move. (non-admin closure) TonyBallioni (talk) 16:32, 11 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nubian pyramids → Nubian Pyramids – Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please present Google Books or Google News Archive results before providing other web results. Do not sign this. Oaomar (talk) 05:11, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose move given the lack of a rationale for the (apparently) proposed name Nubian Pyramids. It would also be inconsistent with the other "_____ pyramids" articles. ONR (talk) 08:58, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Not a proper name but a reference to "Nubian" pyramids. --Robertiki (talk) 13:36, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for both reasons above. Doug Weller talk 13:58, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 4 February 2017[edit]

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The result of the move request was: not move. (non-admin closure) TonyBallioni (talk) 16:34, 11 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nubian pyramids → Kushite Pyramids – This article named “Nubian Pyramids” is spreading false information and labels the Kushite Pyramids as Nubian Pyramids. The Kushites started a civilization and a great kingdom of Kush that lasted for thousands of years (approx. 2300 B.C. to 400 A.D). The reason of the fall of the last Kushite capital (Meroe) was because of two reasons which are the invasion of the Axumite king Ezana and occupation of the Nubians to the Kushite towns. Therefore, it’s a very historical event that was documented on the famous Ezana’s inscription. Therefore, labeling the Kushite pyramids that was built as a burial sanctuary for Kushite kings and queens by Nubian Pyramids is inaccurate and might seem intentionally spreading false information by the author. As a matter of the fact, the Nubians were enemies to the Kushite and they were depicted naked and bounded by the Kushites (see below source from the British Museum). Moreover, the trem Nubian or Nuba was a derogatory term in the Kushite’s Meroitic language which means “slave.” Therefore, I request that this title to be corrected and the remove of the term “Nubian” of any Kushite pyramid. The term “Nubia” is identified by scholars as a geography (between the first Nile contract and the 5th Nile contract) and is not to be mixed with the Nubian ethnicity. The Nubians started a Nubian Kingdom in nearly the 5th or the 6th but they never built pyramids. All the pyramids in the pictures posted by the author are Kushite pyramids. My reliable sources are the followings:

1- The Meroitic Language and Writing System By Claude Rilly, Alex de Voogt, p.104. Rilly is French liguisitic who has many contribution to the Meroitic language of the Kushites.

https://books.google.com/books?id=P7AgAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA104&dq=cluade+rilly+slit,+clay&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjww-bKqfPRAhVMwiYKHbP4AtkQ6AEIHjAA#v=onepage&q=cluade%20rilly%20slit%2C%20clay&f=false

2- Rilly, C. 2008a. ‘Enemy Brothers. Kinship and Relationship between Meroites and Nubians (Noba)’, in W. Godlewski and A. Łatjar (eds), Between the Cataracts. Proceedings of the 11th Conference for Nubian Studies. Warsaw University, 27 August – 2 September 2006. Part one. Main Papers. Warsaw, 211-225. Link to the paper from my box account.

https://app.box.com/s/7891tvc6ajw1zd4urx8jyxxe9hzecl7d

3- From the British Museum, Solid-cast copper alloy ritual figure of a naked and bound male prisoner lying on his front; inscribed with Meroitic text reading 'This is the king of the Nubians'.

http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_details.aspx?objectId=152742&partId=1

4- The End of Meroe. Cambridge Histories Online © Cambridge University Press, 2008.

http://www.earlheinrich.com/Ancient Nubia/_Private/CHA v 2 ch 4 End of Meroe.pdf

Therefore, I request the move of this article and it should be corrected to reflect correct historical information. Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oaomar (talk • contribs)

Oppose. The main problem is your argument doesn't address WP:COMMONNAME, and although "Kushite" is indeed used, there are a lot more sources using "Nubian". Doug Weller talk 14:02, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose move per above. (And what should we do with the original move request?) ONR (talk) 18:22, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. per above. Also the references cited make no mention of the term 'Kushite Pyramids'. It would seem to be a case of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH.David.moreno72 09:42, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Description of the pyramids[edit]

While the description is accurate, it only applies to the Meroë and NW Jebel Barkal pyramids, especially the claim that they rarely exceed 8 m in base width, which is just not true. The older sites has much larger pyramids than those at Meroë, with much squatter, broader bases. For example, at Nuri, the main group of pyramids have pyramids with a base ranging between ~17 and ~51m, the largest of which is even mentioned in the Nuri article. The majority of the pyramids there are around 25 m in base width. Even the less preserved K1 at El-Kurru shows a much wider base. The Jebel Barkal pyramids are in two separate groups, one having the wider pyramids like Nuri, while the other (NW) group is more like Meroë, but still the structures are all much wider than 8 m! Even the Meroë pyramids are generally wider than 8 m, more like 12-20 m in the main row of the northern group. Sure, there are also numerous very small pyramids there, but to say that they "rise from fairly small foundation footprints that rarely exceed 8 metres (26 ft) in width" is an exaggeration. Heck, it is even obvious from the included drawn map that they are much larger than 8 m.109.57.173.116 (talk) 10:12, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Citations[edit]

Why isn't there a citation for the first paragraph, or does citation 1 also cover the first paragraph? 68.37.205.126 (talk) 20:39, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just one question[edit]

Which Nubian pyramid was built in 2500 BCE?

If the answer is none, why is that introduction relevant and not just linked to the main article of the Kushite culture? 2604:99C0:9:2FD6:804:A8F5:F6F1:D43B (talk) 22:01, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]