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There is a reference to a location called "Anatanarivo". Did you mean "Antananarivo" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antananarivo Maps could be helpful.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 22:15, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I plan to make some eventually. :) Lemurbaby (talk) 03:30, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merina Kingdom vs Kingdom of Madagascar[edit]

Hi Jaguar, Thanks for adding the full Malagasy name of Imerina on the Merina Kingdom article. I've been reflecting for a while how to best talk about the historic Merina rulers here and I'd love your opinion. Right now we have this article that someone else created, called "Merina Kingdom". Kingdom of Madagascar redirects to it, and so does Imerina. But the article talks about the kingdom from 1787 to 1897, and excludes all the history of Imerina. At minimum there should be discussion about the sovereigns from Andriamanelo forward, I think, because that's the period when the Kingdom of Imerina was established. The question for me is, should we have one article or two? Ideally, in my opinion, in the article on Kingdom of Imerina there should be discussion of geographic boundaries/features, cultural characteristics etc, and history of the Kingdom. If there is only one article, the discussion would include the later period (1787-1897). Otherwise, I would say that we could create a second article called "Kingdom of Madagascar" (or "Kingdom of Greater Madagascar" to emphasize that not the entire island was unified) to describe this later period and distinguish it from Imerina as a culturally "homogenous" polity. It just seems confusing and misleading to continue to call it the Kingdom of Imerina when it eventually incorporated so many other peoples besides the Merina and expanded so far outside of its historic boundaries. While Kingdom of Madagascar is hardly accurate, it's common to see this written because historically the Merina kings/queens called themselves rulers of Madagascar, not rulers of Imerina. Thoughts? Lemurbaby (talk) 20:16, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion we should rename the Merina Kingdom to Kindgom of Madagascar (Fanjakan'i Madagasikara), because the article only covers the unification of the island till the end of the Monarchy. Actually the kindgom of Imerina is much older that stated in the article : it's written that it was established in 1787 whereas first known Kings of Imerina reigned in the 16th century. We can keep the article name but then we will need to change the date of the establishment and add more details about pre-unification epoch.

I am not opposed in creating a separate article about the Merina Kingdom and the Kingdom of Madagascar. But you will have to rename Merina Kingdom (a small Kingdom established in the 15th century which will become more and more extended) by Kingdom of Madagascar which will be about a "modern" Kingdom (officially recognized by European powers). Respectfully yours, --Jagwar - (( talk )) 19:02, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for replying on my talk page. It looks like our thoughts align exactly. We need to have separate pages for Kingdom of Madagascar and Kingdom of Imerina.

I'm thinking for the sake of simplicity, when the Kingdom of Imerina was divided by Andriamasinavalona, we should keep that discussion in the Kingdom of Imerina article but eventually create another article called something like "Fragmentation of the Kingdom of Imerina" or "18th century division of Imerina" or maybe the appropriate Malagasy terms ("Imerina efa-toko" or something else?) that readers of the Kingdom of Imerina article can go to for more information about the various rulers of each of the four provinces.

I'm also wondering whether we need a separate page for "Central Highlands", since this one covers the geographic and physical/environmental features of the region. It's currently a stub. It kind of makes sense to me to keep that article and further develop it, then make sure all the places that link to it are really going there to provide more info about the geographic features and not the historical/cultural information. That way both the Kingdom of Imerina and Kingdom of Madagascar articles can have links to the Central Highlands article. Thank you again for weighing in on this. -- Lemurbaby (talk) 03:27, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Article content[edit]

I'm prioritizing this article and will be working on it over the course of the year. Much of the content currently on the page will wind up being moved to a "list of sovereigns of the Kingdom of Imerina" page to be created soon. As this is an article about a former state, it will follow guidance here in regards to content. If you are planning to add to the article, please consult this guidance to verify that the material belongs in this article. If so, it should be added along with the relevant heading, and if not, please incorporate it into a more appropriate article. Lemurbaby (talk) 16:00, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

sources for maps[edit]

Imerina after Radama I: p 528 of this document. Lemurbaby (talk) 10:46, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion of Imerina to 1840: p. 166 of this document. Lemurbaby (talk)

Extent of Imerina[edit]

Note to self: ^[1] David Griffiths and the Missionary... (see Ambohimanga) Lemurbaby (talk) 05:38, 29 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned references in Merina Kingdom[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Merina Kingdom's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Ark":

From Andrianampoinimerina: Buyers, Christopher. "Royal Ark: the Merina (or Hova) dynasty". Archived from the original on 7 January 2011. Retrieved 3 February 2011. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
From Andriamasinavalona: Buyers, Christopher. "The Merina (or Hova) dynasty". Archived from the original on February 17, 2011. Retrieved October 9, 2010.
From Andriamanelo: Buyers, Christopher (2008). "The Merina (or Hova) Dynasty 1". www.royalark.net. Archived from the original on April 3, 2011. Retrieved April 3, 2011.
From Andrianjaka: Buyers, Christopher. "The Merina (or Hova) dynasty". Archived from the original on 17 February 2011. Retrieved 9 October 2010.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 03:42, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

^ Campbell 2012, p. 500.

[FOOTNOTECampbell2012500-1] Campbell 2012, p. 500.

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