Talk:Lochlann

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Llychlyn[edit]

I've removed the bulk of the reference to 'Llychlyn' and the Medieval Wales category. The word has no mythological overtones in Middle Welsh: it means simply 'Scaninavia' (albeit often rather vaguely). The following assertion — "The land of Llychlyn is mentioned in the Middle Welsh prose tale The Dream of Rhonabwy where it is located beneath lakes or the sea" — is just not correct. Llychlyn is mentioned twice (just checked) in the text but it is clear that it refers to Scandinavia or the Norse lands in general: no reference to it being "located beneath lakes or the sea" whatsoever! I suggest that as the article deals almost entirely with Lochlann in Irish/Gaelic lore it is best kept that way, even though Llychlyn and Lochlann are cognate. 19:48, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Good move. In any case, recent research (cf. Rachel Bromwich's work in particular) suggests that Llychlyn in The Dream of Rhonabwy is an error for Llydaw, the Welsh name for Brittany, or possibly a reference to Llydaw in Gwynedd. There are a lot of references to Llychlyn as an 'otherworld' on the web, I think the Dictionary of Celtic Mythology's erroneous entry is primarily to blame. I've never seen it used in such a way in the medieval Welsh sources. ANB (talk) 19:40, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nyland[edit]

Hard to be sure after such a long passage of time, but I think Nyland appeared as neither Murray nor H-Smith (on p. 51) mentioned "Lochlann". As a source for a legend (as opposed to a theory of linguistics) it didn't seem incredible at the time. However, fortunately H-Smith does refer to the Lochlann connection on p. 61, so that's fixed. Nyland would seem to be "brilliantly mad" as you suspect. Ben Mac Dui 08:41, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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