Talk:List of early Slavic peoples

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Sources[edit]

The list contains tribes mentioned by some chronicles plus their adherence (dubious) and related 'ancestry'. In addition some tribes are never mentioned; the names are deducted. So it is complete nonsense.

I propose to list all the tribes mentioned by chronicles with chronicle name and some posible localisation.

Cautious (talk) 22:26, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you remove a tribe, please move it to the talk page (do not simply delete). Thanks. USchick (talk) 23:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I removed −

Warmiak, ancestors of Poles

Why? Warmia used to be populates by Baltic Prussians. After their extermination by Teutonic Order, Poles from Masovia, Masurs, populated southern part of it and become known as Warmiaks. The main difference between Masurs and Warmiaks is religion. None of such a development happenned in medieval times. And obviously there were never Slavic tribe of Warmiaks. Cautious (talk) 23:09, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the three archeological cultures listed in the East Slavic section (Kiev culture, Korchak culture, Penkovka culture), because these are not really tribes, but only names used by archaeologists to distinguish material cultures (i.e. there could have been multiple tribes within these ancient groups). --Hibernian (talk) 05:47, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

+1 for possible localization instead of "ancestry". E.g. in 1237 Batu invaded Rus' territory, which led to massive migrations of people. So how can we provably bind earlier tribes with nowadays nations? 188.17.190.124 (talk) 21:47, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Severians[edit]

Severians mostly ancestors of Ukrainians — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.63.45.89 (talk) 15:21, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bоšnjani a Slavic Tribe?[edit]

The medieval or old Slavic tribes according to the Primary Chronicle were:

Over a long period the Slavs settled beside the Danube, where the Hungarian and Bulgarian

lands now lie. From among these Slavs, parties scattered throughout the country and were known

by appropriate names, according to the places where they settled. Thus some came and settled by

the river Morava, and were named Moravians, while others were called Czechs. Among these

same Slavs are included the White Croats, the Serbs, and the Carinthians. For when the Vlakhs

attacked the Danubian Slavs, settled among them, and did them violence, the latter came and

made their homes by the Vistula, and were then called Lyakhs. Of these same Lyakhs some were

called Polyanians, some Lutichians, some Mazovians, and still others Pomorians. Certain Slavs

settled also on the Dnipro, and were likewise called Polyanians. Still others were named

Derevlians, because they lived in the forests. Some also lived between the Pripet' and the Dvina,

and were known as Dregovichians. Other tribes resided along the Dvina and were called

Polotians on account of a small stream called the Polota, which flows into the Dvina. It was from

this same stream that they were named Polotians. The Slavs also dwelt about Lake Il'men', and

were known there by their characteristic name. They built a city which they called Novgorod.

Still others had their homes along the Desna, the Sem', and the Sula, and were called Severians.

Thus the Slavic race was divided, and its language was known as Slavic.

Bošnjani were in the Middle Ages a regional demonym, not a Slavic Tribe. Regional demonyms of the one Serb Tribe were also Rašani, Dukljani, Zahumljani, Neretljani, as stated explicitly in the De Administrando Imperio. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.23.94.50 (talk) 17:07, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

They are Croats not Serbs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.252.239.104 (talk) 16:13, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't matter what they were. Today it is mainly Muslims who use the demonym whilst non-Muslims choose something else. But this article is about the ancient tribes and this section of the talk explores whether proto-Bosniaks were Slavic, just as proto-Bulgarians were not. --Juicy Oranges (talk) 17:36, 15 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

East Slavic Croats as White Croats[edit]

Miki Filigranski Please, give the sources for your edit: [1]. And the authors must be modern historians.--Nicoljaus (talk) 17:38, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

English Translation for Maps[edit]

The maps seem to be very interesting and important, is it possible for an English translation for them to be made? CrownedLime747 (talk) 06:38, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Veneti, Antae, Sclaveni[edit]

There seems to be a bit of a terminological confusion regarding Veneti, Antae and Sclaveni, probably owing to Byzantine historians' tendency to either make up names or revive old ones. So the Antes are East Slavs and the Veneti are West Slavs. The Balkan Antes hail from the East Slavic Antes—okay, so far, so good. However, where do the Sclaveni come from? No article, including their own, seems to consider it worth discussing. But it is, as otherwise there may be critical factual flaws in the article.

The way I understand things, the Sclaveni are basically Veneti, who were renamed Sclaveini by the Byzantine historians, after they started raiding the Danubian provinces of the Empire. And at some point, all Slavs on the Balkans became Sclaveni to the Byzantines, probably because they felt like it. I also rummaged through Fine and Hupchik just now, and neither of them sheds more clarity. Can someone weigh in, please? Thanks! VMORO 03:19, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]