Talk:List of ancient Greek and Roman roofs

Treasury at Foce del Sele

According to recent excavations, the temple did not have a roof. Cf. Giovanna Grecio: "Der achaische Thesauros im Heraion am Sele. Ein archäologisches Phantom", ÖJh, Vol. 72 (2003), pp. 97-109. Therefore, I removed the entry. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 21:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Odeion of Herodes Atticus

We know from textual sources that the Odeion of Herodes Atticus in Athens had a wooden roof. But this is somewhat controversial in some circles, since its span would be impressive even for a trussed design. Is modern engineering uncertainty the reason it does not make the list? Lucretius6 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 17:00, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Ctesiphon

Why doesn't the below-mentioned palace at Ctesiphon's "arched" roof not make the list? From what I can see, the list has been designed to exclude domes and vaults and deals with conventional flat roofs. Several more monuments would need to be included if vaulted roofs were allowed, not least the Basilica Nova. Lucretius6 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 17:18, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. There's definitely consensus to move, though other points may lead to continued discussion. The resulting redirect List of ancient roofs can be taken to WP:RFD if desired, and an expansion of scope to include other ancient roofs can be discussed if such roofs are found. --BDD (talk) 21:09, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

List of ancient roofs → List of ancient Greek and Roman roofs – Lede indicates that this article is with regards to ancient Hellenic and Roman roofs, current title does not reflect this, there are famous ancient roofs in other places in the world, and is therefore misleading and inaccurate KTo288 (talk) 20:54, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

• Support there should be no redirect left behind either, since "ancient" means a very many different things. -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 07:00, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
• Comment. Agree that there should be a better title, but the proposal is redundant in about three ways: "ancient" + "classical" + "Hellenic and Roman" (can of worms with that "Hellenic", and presumably not what's meant). Cynwolfe (talk) 13:53, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
• Also agree that there should be a better title, but not this: "List of ancient Greek and Roman roofs" works I think. Johnbod (talk) 14:50, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
• Johnbod made the suggestion that I came here to make. I support List of ancient Greek and Roman roofs".  davidiad { t } 15:14, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
• The proposed name is hardly an improvement; List of ancient Greek and Roman roofs would be more acceptable. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 15:28, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Changed proposal to the less wordy suggestion of List of ancient Greek and Roman roofs.--KTo288 (talk) 19:21, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

I am happy with "List of ancient Greek and Roman roofs". Amandajm (talk) 07:02, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

• Support. Seems like those wary of the original proposal find the current one acceptable. Cynwolfe (talk) 16:08, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. Clarify that the scope is worldwide and that only Greek and Roman cases qualify. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:55, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't think I understand your point. Could you expand on this?  davidiad { t } 03:05, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I read this rename proposal as limiting the scope of this article to its current scope (Greek & Roman). I think instead, the article should be broadened to the entire ancient world, as suggested by the current title. If Greek and Roman roof architecture dominates the subject then so be it, but mention the fact. I know little of ancient roofs, but I'm sure there can be found something to say about the largest roofs outside ancient Greece and Rome. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:39, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification, SmokeyJoe. I figured that was about what you meant, but wanted to be sure.  davidiad { t } 05:45, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

My pleasure. I regret that in half an hour I could not find a single specific ancient example of a large span roof (or even bridge) outside ancient Rome or Greece. I expected to find something Chinese, but ancient examples were only hundreds if years old. Maybe the ancient Chinese wooden frames have all been lost. Or did the Greeks invert large span structures? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:01, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

The palace at Ctesiphon has a famous arched roof. Persepolis and Egptian temples had huge roofs but used lots of internal columns, so the unsupported spans are not usually very large. The Persian world had lots of good bridges. Johnbod (talk) 12:59, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

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Hello, Cote d'Azur! Hope you're well. Regarding Special:Diff/965754196: out of curiosity, what considerations went into ignoring the manual of style's guidance to not introduce the list as "This is a list of X" or "This list of Xs..."? If you could clarify how this list differs from featured lists such as World Fantasy Award—Life Achievement, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks again and stay safe, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 21:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello Rotideypoc41352, this list does not differ from other lists in WP, the majority start like this. I accommodated your text in the introduction and now it looks better than before. Thank you and stay safe, too —Cote d'Azur (talk) 06:21, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello again, Cote d'Azur! If this list does not differ from others, then even more reason to follow the manual of style and even less reason to apply the "ignore all rules" principle, no? Additionally, featured lists consistently follow that MOS rule. Thanks again for listening. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:04, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

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