Talk:Italy national football team

CONMEBOL–UEFA Cup of Champions

Hello all, I am trying to reach a consensus as to whether the following tables ought to be included on this page:

CONMEBOL–UEFA Cup of Champions record
Year	Round	Position	Pld	W	D	L	GF	GA
1985	Did not qualify
1993
2022	Runners-up	2nd	1	0	0	1	0	3
Total	Runners-up	1/3	1	0	0	1	0	3

Italy's CONMEBOL–UEFA Cup of Champions record
First match	Italy 0-3 Argentina (1 June 2022; London, England)
Biggest win	N/A
Biggest defeat	Italy 0–3 Argentina (1 June 2022; London, England)
Best result	2nd place in 2022
Worst result	2nd place in 2022

I feel that these tables would benefit the articles. Such tables already exist on the Argentina national team page, and have since been added to the other teams that have played in the cup. I feel that this would be a useful table to have on the page, particularly seeing as it has been announced that the cup| competition will take place until at least 2028. Please let me know what you think. Vesuvio14 (talk) 20:11, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

The issue is that, realistically, Italy won't compete every edition (even assuming once every 4 editions would be optimistic). I don't see the value in adding a table for a competition in which only two out of 65 members may compete. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 20:41, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

I get that, and it is certainly likely that they may not be in another addition for some time. However, as User:Island92 stated in their most recent edit description, this is an international competition which might suggest it should be featured here as it is also featured in the infobox. Vesuvio14 (talk) 21:50, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

I think adding a table with "other tournaments" may be a good compromise, as is done here for example. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:52, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

That is what I was about to suggest too! :) A similar table exists on France’s page which is where the cup was before I moved it. Perhaps this would be the best option as per your points above. Would you know of anything else which might go in such a table? Vesuvio14 (talk) 21:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

1976 U.S.A. Bicentennial Cup Tournament, 1980 World Champions' Gold Cup, 1985 Ciudad de México Cup Tournament, 1991 Scania 100 Tournament, 1992 U.S. Cup, 1995 Swiss Football Federation Centenary Tournament (RSSSF link), 1997 Tournoi de France. These should be all the "unofficial" tournaments Italy took place in (at least, according to the FIGC's official fixture list). Nehme₁₄₉₉ 22:21, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Brilliant, thanks for letting me know. I’ll see if I can add this at some point today. Vesuvio14 (talk) 06:16, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

New table added to page with minor tournaments and their stats. Perhaps if Italy are in another edition of the cup in the future then we might consider adding a full table. Vesuvio14 (talk) 08:46, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Defunct tournaments

Hi, @Oluclen:, just wanted to ask you about your recent edits regarding defunct tournaments. I believe the tournaments section is simply for any tournaments, regardless of whether or not they are still played. I do not think that an entire section need be devoted to defunct tournaments, but perhaps a simple note could be placed by the tables for each example of on. You say that I have deviated for the standard, but I do not find any other examples of such a section on other international teams' articles. They simply list defunct tournaments (such as the Confederations Cup) with the rest of their tournaments. For example, see France, Brazil and New Zealand. Vesuvio14 (talk) 17:50, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Vesuvio. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 18:10, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Unless anybody else objects, I will revert this edit at some point tomorrow. Vesuvio14 (talk) 14:49, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

1988

Italy finished in 3rd place in euro 88. Update your page with italy receiving a bronze. 2607:FEA8:9921:4740:6576:23F:4053:803A (talk) 05:03, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Italy were losing semi-finalists. Do you have a source that they were awarded bronze? Nehme₁₄₉₉ 07:34, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Is the same pattern you used for France, England and Germany national team. The losing semi-finalist gets a bronze medal Giulioy9 (talk) 12:03, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Medal record (update)

FIFA Confederations Cup third place (bronze) in 2013 is missing and another bronze is missing as well, gained at Olympic Games in 2004. 137.222.66.176 (talk) 13:01, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

The 2004 Olympic games were reserved for under-21 national teams, not senior teams. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 13:08, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

For Germany in another year, there is a note. Perhaps, it can be added as Under 21 or Olympic team? I think there were at least some over-aged players were permitted 137.222.66.176 (talk) 13:13, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

The medal is already included at Italy national under-21 football team. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 13:13, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

ah ok, although it is a bit confusing in my humble opinion. Germany in 2016 won silver with their Under 23s, that's why I was confused. Anyway, also the silver gained losing the final this summer with Argentina should be added to the Medal record? 137.222.66.176 (talk) 13:17, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Upcoming new Italy logo (source: Footy Headlines)

We know that the new logo has already been leaked, and it will be unveiled very soon. Like many new logos, there are many versions of it. But I already beg you to put in this page the blue logo with the white name "Italia" and without the white border. If you search in Footy Headlines article, you'll found it Roby Markz (talk) 13:21, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

We should wait for the official announcement by the FIGC. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 14:44, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, of course, but I'm 100% sure so please remember my suggestion when it will be official 🙏🏻 Roby Markz (talk) 16:07, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

There will be two versions of the blue logo with the white name "Italia": one with the white border, and one without the white border. Obviously here it will be better to use the one without. I'm sayin' it again just to be clear 😅👍🏻 Roby Markz (talk) 16:23, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Italy logo has officially changed. Which one will you choose? The white one or the blue one? The Italian Wikipedia has chosen the white one, probably because of the blue stars, but there is also a blue logo with the blue stars, not only with the white stars Roby Markz (talk) 21:20, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

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Recently called up

Not sure it’s accurate to say that players have recently been called up when they have 40+ caps. ‘Recalled’ to the squad maybe. Andyeff (talk) 19:28, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Immobile named captain but he is not permanent and stable - officially captain only 1 time

Immobile is not the permanent captain of the national team so far, he wore the captain's armband only ONE time as the official captain, then he has not been called up anymore. 85.165.41.105 (talk) 11:03, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

You keep saying that, but it isn't true. He is captain until the next Euros, as per the source cited. The article says nothing about "long-term" captains or whatever definition you're trying to use, it's simply who has been the captain at any particular time. Right now it's Immobile.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:44, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

"List of captaincy periods of the various captains throughout the years" which has nothing to do with "permanent" as explained in your talk page and in the box citing Immobile captain and respective source.--Island92 (talk) 14:27, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

The source is fine, we know, indeed he is mentioned as the current captain on the top of the national team page, but this is not the point here.

The point is that one has to see and take into account the events and the facts. The fact is that since September, when he has been named captain by new coach Spalletti in an interview, Immobile wore the captain's armband only ONE time, and lately he has been left out of the squad by the coach. This means that his captaincy is almost "virtual" and unstable as so far it counts for only 1 match. So what I said very clearly is that one has to WAIT and SEE before including Immobile in the list of the stable and permanent captains of the history of the Italy national football team.--85.165.41.105 (talk) 17:04, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Adding "permanent and stable" for that prose displayed is simply redundant. You are making the point such bold citing "permanent" as if it was the main priority for the point itself. Island92 (talk) 18:14, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

"revert to previous standard information — only permanent and stable captains here" Which standard do you mean exactly? This is only the top National team that features that useless prose above the list of captains. Island92 (talk) 18:38, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

That table is about the "long-term" and stable captains, it has to be underlined; otherwise one can think to add to that list any player who has been the captain during one or a couple of matches.--85.165.41.105 (talk) 17:12, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Long-term ok, but adding "permanent and stable" is not the case. Long-term already means that.--Island92 (talk) 17:19, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Immobile is a permanent captain, that said by Spalletti. If until Euro 2024, he is permanent at all costs, no matter how many caps he will make in this period. That's why that prose is redundant in any case. Island92 (talk) 09:22, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

No, your reasoning here is wrong. If taking your example, Immobile is no longer called by the national team in 2024 and more importantly he is no longer playing and no longer wearing the captain's armband, he should not be included among the historical and long-term/permanent captains since he will have worn the captain's armband as the designated captain only once, on 9 September 2023 against North Macedonia.--85.165.41.105 (talk) 14:25, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

He's no longer, he's no longer, he's no longer. Who knows that? It's not taken into account how many times he worn the captain's armband. He's the current captain until Euro 2024. This is the only reliable information we have because supported by source.--Island92 (talk) 16:21, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Italy March 2024 Fixtures

Hello, I made an edit regarding Italy's upcoming confirmed fixtures against Peru in Miami and against Ecuador in March 2024. Why is this being removed? Multiple sources have confirmed this including: https://worldsoccertalk.com/news/italy-to-play-series-of-friendlies-in-united-states-this-march-20240108-WST-481909.html, https://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Nazionale/06-01-2024/italia-ecuador-a-philadelphia-e-italia-peru-a-miami-a-marzo.shtml, https://us.as.com/futbol/italia-jugara-la-fecha-fifa-de-marzo-en-estados-unidos-ante-peru-y-ecuador-n/. Sean.Gallagherr (talk) 00:10, 10 January 2024 (UTC)