Talk:Hurricane Bonnie (1998)

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Date	Process	Result
October 6, 2008	Good article nominee	Listed
August 28, 2009	Peer review	Reviewed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on September 28, 2008.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that strong waves from Hurricane Bonnie in 1998 washed thousands of tires, part of an artificial reef, ashore in North Carolina?

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Metric conversions[edit]

Atlantic hurricanes like this one should have the metric conversions to any measurements (kilometres, metres, km/h, etc.). People like me can't fully understand any of these imperial measurements (miles, inches, mph, etc). RaNdOm26 12:19, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And a somewhat decent ref, if anyone has an AMS subscription: http://ams.allenpress.com/perlserv/?request=get-abstract&doi=10.1175%2FJAS3598.1 Tito xd^(?!?) 22:53, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Todo[edit]

Rainfall north of Maryland should be mentioned. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:13, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Added. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 22:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hurricane Bonnie (1998)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Hi! I will be reviewing this article for GA status, and I should have the full review up within a couple of hours. Dana boomer (talk) 00:43, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):
In the Florida and South Carolina preparation section, you say "...National Guard put about 1,512 men on act of duty..." Should this be "active duty"?

Same section, you say "...buses were provided to help evacuate people, an ongoing operation." What do you mean by an ongoing operation? Do you mean that this has happened for other hurricanes since or that this was ongoing throughout the prep for Bonnie?

North Carolina and Virginia preparation section, you say "...with plans to reopen mainly when...". What do you mean by "reopen mainly"?

Same section, you say "...and ride out the storm far out to sea." Is there some way to avoid one of the "out"s in this sentence?

In the South Carolina impact section you say "...and storm surge was 2 to 3 ft (0.61 to 0.91 m) above average." What do you mean by above average? Was this higher than the normal sea level, or higher than storm surges usually were? Same wording in the North Carolina section.

In the North Carolina impact section, you say "In some areas, the vegetative and structural debris reached 1 m (3.3 ft) deep, and is said to have shielded inland regions from hazardous debris." Does this mean that it was this deep on the ground, and how did this shield inland regions?
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
Most of the references are formatted using "cite xyz" templates. Current ref 27 (Dow and Cutter) doesn't, and it's confusing enough that I'm not even sure what the ref is, except for the fact that I think it's a published source.

Please spell out acronyms, such as NCDERN in current ref 30 and AARL in current ref 33. Please check for others, these are just examples.

Please add publishers for current refs 49 (Nowell), 55 (Roth), and 57 (FEM).
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
Is there no information about the naming of the storm? Was the name retired?
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

I've gotten through everything except for a complete prose review of the article, but I'm being called away to some RL things. I apologize for not finishing this review all at one time, but I should have my comments on prose up by the end of tomorrow. Dana boomer (talk) 01:28, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess my prediction of when I would finish was a bit off...for which I apologize. I have completed the prose review of the article, and so just the above issues need to be completed before the article attains GA status. So, I'm putting the article on hold to allow you time to address the issues. Dana boomer (talk) 00:20, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review. Done with everything. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 00:47, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Everything looks good, so I'm passing the article. Nice work, and thanks for the prompt response. Dana boomer (talk) 12:54, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, thanks. :-) –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 12:57, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Todo[edit]

Overall copyedit.
More impact information for South Carolina.
If possible, look for more impact info for North Carolina.
More overall preps, verify evacuations.
Cut down on excessive detail in SH; look for AMS journals.
Organize aftermath.
Look for more aftermath information, such as federal funds, rebuilding efforts.
Find picture for the Mid-Atlantic impact section.
Add publication dates to all references.
Look for more analysis information. Possible "Analysis and observation" section?
Look for information in books.

–Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 19:27, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Copyediting comments[edit]

"However, as the storm turned towards the right in response to the approaching trough ...". Eh? The right from whose point of view? Surely this should be given as a compass heading? --Malleus Fatuorum 20:04, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, fixed. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 20:08, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Literature database search...[edit]

... per request. Here's what came up (I left out the numerous conference abstracts):

Title: Measuring storm surge with an airborne wide-swath radar altimeter.

Author(s): Wright, C. W.; Walsh, E. J.; Krabill, W. B., et al. Source: Journal of Atmospheric and Oceanic Technology Volume: 26 Issue: 10 Pages: 2200-2215 Published: 2009

Title: Assimilation of rain-affected radiances with an adjoint mesoscale model

Author(s): Amerault, C; Zou, XL; Doyle, J Source: JOURNAL OF APPLIED REMOTE SENSING Volume: 3 Article Number: 033531 Published: 2009

Title: Numerical Simulation of Hurricane Bonnie (1998). Part III: Energetics

Author(s): Hogsett, W; Zhang, DL Source: JOURNAL OF THE ATMOSPHERIC SCIENCES Volume: 66 Issue: 9 Pages: 2678-2696 Published: 2009

Title: Extreme Helicity and Intense Convective Towers in Hurricane Bonnie

Author(s): Molinari, J; Vollaro, D Source: MONTHLY WEATHER REVIEW Volume: 136 Issue: 11 Pages: 4355-4372 Published: 2008

Title: A lagrangian trajectory view on transport and mixing processes between the eye, eyewall, and environment using a high-resolution simulation of Hurricane Bonnie (1998)

Author(s): Cram, TA; Persing, J; Montgomery, MT, et al. Source: JOURNAL OF THE ATMOSPHERIC SCIENCES Volume: 64 Issue: 6 Pages: 1835-1856 Published: JUN 2007

Title: High-resolution simulation of Hurricane Bonnie (1998). Part I: The organization of eyewall vertical motion

Author(s): Braun, SA; Montgomery, MT; Pu, ZX Source: JOURNAL OF THE ATMOSPHERIC SCIENCES Volume: 63 Issue: 1 Pages: 19-42 Published: JAN 2006

Title: High-resolution simulation of Hurricane Bonnie (1998). Part II: Water budget

Author(s): Braun, SA Source: JOURNAL OF THE ATMOSPHERIC SCIENCES Volume: 63 Issue: 1 Pages: 43-64 Published: JAN 2006

Title: Numerical simulation of Hurricane Bonnie (1998). Part II: Sensitivity to varying cloud microphysical processes

Author(s): Zhu, T; Zhang, DL Source: JOURNAL OF THE ATMOSPHERIC SCIENCES Volume: 63 Issue: 1 Pages: 109-126 Published: JAN 2006

Title: Low-level kinematic, thermodynamic, and reflectivity fields associated with Hurricane Bonnie (1998) at landfall

Author(s): Schneider, R; Barnes, GM Source: MONTHLY WEATHER REVIEW Volume: 133 Issue: 11 Pages: 3243-3259 Published: NOV 2005

Title: Surface observations of landfalling hurricane rainbands

Author(s): Skwira, GD; Schroeder, JL; Peterson, RE Source: MONTHLY WEATHER REVIEW Volume: 133 Issue: 2 Pages: 454-465 Published: FEB 2005

Title: Numerical simulation of Hurricane Bonnie (1998). Part I: Eyewall evolution and intensity changes

Author(s): Zhu, T; Zhang, DL; Weng, FH Source: MONTHLY WEATHER REVIEW Volume: 132 Issue: 1 Pages: 225-241 Published: JAN 2004

Title: A numerical study of the impact of vertical shear on the distribution of rainfall in Hurricane Bonnie (1998)

Author(s): Rogers, R; Chen, SY; Tenerelli, J, et al. Source: MONTHLY WEATHER REVIEW Volume: 131 Issue: 8 Pages: 1577-1599 Published: AUG 2003

Title: Inflow layer energetics of Hurricane Bonnie (1998) near landfall

Author(s): Wroe, DR; Barnes, GM Source: MONTHLY WEATHER REVIEW Volume: 131 Issue: 8 Pages: 1600-1612 Published: AUG 2003

Title: Hurricane Bonnie wind flow characteristics as determined from WEMITE

Author(s): Schroeder, JL; Smith, DA Source: JOURNAL OF WIND ENGINEERING AND INDUSTRIAL AERODYNAMICS Volume: 91 Issue: 6 Pages: 767-789 Published: MAY 2003

Title: ER-2 Doppler radar investigations of the eyewall of Hurricane Bonnie during the convection and moisture experiment-3

Author(s): Heymsfield, GM; Halverson, JB; Simpson, J, et al. Source: JOURNAL OF APPLIED METEOROLOGY Volume: 40 Issue: 8 Pages: 1310-1330 Published: 2001

Have fun! Sasata (talk) 15:03, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Content nixed from the article...[edit]

In June, 1998, religious broadcaster Pat Robertson warned that Orlando, Florida, risked the wrath of God (including serious hurricanes) if it sponsored a "Gay Days" festival. Bonnie, the first hurricane of the season, originally tracked for Orlando, before turning north to cause damage in the vicinity of Robertson's Christian Broadcast Network campus in Virginia Beach.^[1] In fact, the only hurricane that affected Orlando that year was the remnant of Mitch, leaving 1.5 inches (38 mm) of rain on November 5.^[2]

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) TonyBallioni (talk) 21:55, 1 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Bonnie (1998) → Hurricane Bonnie – Prominent than any other Bonnies - then it's a primary topic. I don't expect other Bonnies in the probably near future would be anything prominent than this, but if that got more prominence than this then i'll expect this to revert back into with the year 1998. --SMB99thx XD (contribs) 10:22, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose no benefit to readers in removing the year of a regular event, and not the only Hurricane Bonnie. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:38, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- There are more Hurricane Bonnies than just this i admit! And, reason why i want to change it (even it would not benefit it) because it was a very prominent hurricane (much more damaging or much more intense, causing the popularity of that storm) and beats any other hurricanes with this name, causing this hurricane to be stand out from other hurricanes with this name. --SMB99thx XD (contribs) 13:26, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per In ictu oculi. There have been enough damaging storms named Bonnie that there is no clear primary topic. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 15:17, 24 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – there have been many storms named Bonnie, a lot of which have been deadly or damaging. Removing the year would only serve to confuse readers. ~ KN2731 {talk} 10:25, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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[2] "Hurricane Mitch".

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