Talk:HIT Entertainment

New Logo

Just a little new flash; it appears that HIT has a new logo (not the one that we see at the end of all its shows). I found this out after looking at a press release about the Tenth Season of Thomas and Friends. Could we please put this one up?ohyeh 15:00, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!68.151.106.239 16:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, their list of shows/licenses is located at http://www.hitentertainment.com/hitcatalogue/, and as far as I'm aware Postman Pat is wholly owned by Entertainment Rights, not in partnership with Hit!

Two New Shows Added

I added Wishbone to their list of shows. It is now on HiT's webpage. I also added Shining Time Station because Tugs and Shining Time Station are shows HiT has rights to.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 16:33, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

ok. 174.27.3.169 (talk) 04:06, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved as an acronym -- JHunterJ (talk) 17:40, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

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Hit Entertainment → HIT Entertainment –. The article appears to have been created as HIT Entertainment, then moved in 2008 to "HiT" and moved again in 2010 to "Hit". The company's website at http://www.hitentertainment.com/corporate/index.aspx?c=uk shows that while the logo uses "HiT", the company itself uses all caps in text.
The most recent move, in 2010, noted in the edit summary that "WP:CAPS: Wikipedia does not indulge nonstandard "official" capitalization". However, I see no such restriction in WP:CAPS. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:44, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

• Comment. If the "non-standard, official" spelling is "HiT" (which I believe is uncontroversial), then I would have thought we would default to "Hit" rather than "HIT". Why would we choose all caps instead of "regular" typeface capitalization? All caps would seem to be an exception to the regular practice. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:02, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Mild oppose. I think I misunderstood initially. "HIT Entertainment" seems to be the spelling adopted by the company; it is only the logo that uses a smallcase "i". This is more akin to the LEGO/Lego issue, but Noetica is correct that WP:MOSTM is the relevant guideline, not WP:CAPS. Using all-caps in a company name is certainly non-standard and would not generally be reflected in a WP article name. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 05:37, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
    • It can be reflected in the article name if it's an acronym or initialism, which it is in this case. Powers ^T 18:00, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

It would help if we actually state the relevant facts, rather than referring obliquely to them. From the article:

Hit Entertainment (styled "HiT") is a British/American entertainment distribution company established in 1989, and originally the international distribution arm of Jim Henson Productions called Henson International Television (later reincorporated as HiT Communications plc.).

Now, that gives some useful background. But it is incomplete and inaccurate concerning the styling. The styling in the logo is "HiT"; the styling in the official corporate name is consistently given as "HIT", as I point out below. MOSTM prefers all caps if the letters are pronounced individually; but that seems not to be the case here (as evidenced by the logo styling). Noetica^Tea? 22:29, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't know that the orthography of the logo has anything at all to do with how it's pronounced. Powers ^T 14:20, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose. "Official spelling?" The company itself alternates, with "HiT" in its logo and "HIT" in text at its website. It is not the business of Wikipedia to track such variation. WP:MOSTM calls for standard case rules to be applied. Especially given the company's own uncertainties, we should retain Hit Entertainment.
  Noetica^Tea? 23:34, 23 April 2012 (UTC) ♥

• Support; it started as an acronym initialism so our guidelines allow us to render it as one here. Powers ^T 20:38, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Doubtful. See my response to you above, Powers. Noetica^Tea? 22:29, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

• Support. As Powers notes, it's an acronym/initialism, pronounced "H-I-T", not "hit" (see this video - sorry about the ad at the beginning); and, per WP:MOSTM, "Using all caps is preferred if the letters are pronounced individually..." (my emphasis there) Dohn joe (talk) 00:49, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

That's one opinion, but not from the company itself. Here is another take on the matter, at this Japanese Wikipedia article: ヒット・エンターテインメント. That appears to be a phonetic rendering with the pronunciation /hit/, though I am ready to be corrected by anyone who knows better.

If the "official" pronunciation has "hit" spelt out, then sure: let the title have "HIT", by all means. But we have insufficient evidence for that as things stand. Compare IKEA, for which we do have evidence (/ai'kia/, roughly, in English usage) and which according to MOSTM ought to be at Ikea.

A great number of published sources give the form "Hit" (see Googlebooks search on "hit entertainment"), so it's an open question. Such occurrences don't have to be in the majority to show that people are pronouncing it /hit/, since people who spell it "HIT" or "HiT" could easily be doing that also – as in the case of IKEA.

Noetica^Tea? 01:54, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

I think I trust Forbes over the Japanese Wikipedia when it comes to pronunciation of American company names. But in either case, we don't always choose between all-caps and lowercase based solely on pronunciation (see NASA, NATO, etc.). Ikea is a tricky one, and that's borne out by the near 50/50 split in reliable sources; these both may be cases where there's no obvious "right" answer. In this case, though, since there's some evidence that some people pronounce it "Aitch Eye Tea" (and in that respect it differs from Ikea), I don't see any compelling reason not to treat it as an acronym and put it in all-caps. Powers ^T 14:20, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't know which I'd trust, if either. The variety in the company's own stylings leaves the matter quite unsettled, and it is likely that people everywhere are just guessing. What might properly count as an official pronunciation is the one used in the company. But even that could vary, far all we know. Consider how editors here pronounce "MOS" (or "MoS"). Some write "an MOS guideline", some "a MOS guideline". (I have worked in an organisation where there was similar alternation, in fact; so I know these are not just online uncertainties.) Parallel to the alternation at the company between "HIT" and "HiT" is, perhaps, the styling alternation between "MOS" and "MoS"; and how exactly these comport with the varying pronunciations is a matter for further (and rather futile) research. We just don't know.

So, Powers: I see no compelling reason to assume either that the word is pronounced /hit/ or that the word is pronounced as spelt out. I simply advocate simplicity and consistency, in the absence of decisive evidence. The broadest relevant WP style presumption is for default use of standard case styling, unless there is a clear provision to override it backed by clear evidence. We do not have either.

But we might agree that life is too short to take such things further, yes? At least here some of us looked at evidence rationally, which is more than we find at other RM discussions.

Noetica^Tea? 00:21, 28 April 2012 (UTC) ☺

My point is thus: We know it is (or was) an acronym; we know at least one reliable sources pronounces it as spelled-out letters. For as minor an issue as this one, that really ought to be sufficient to justify rendering it in all-caps. Perhaps the difference is just in our basal starting point. Powers ^T 02:12, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Requested move 1

I suggest moving this page to Mattel Creations, because of the following: 1. HIT Entertainment's website now redirects to Mattel's website 2. At the end of some episodes of shows, it displays the Mattel Creations logo over the HIT Entertainment logo. CriticismEdits (talk) 06:00, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Oppose. Not relevant.

1. May be temporary or Mattel sees no reason to have HIT continue with its own website.

2. Marvel Creations is HIT Entertainment's parent unit. Thus why Mattel Creations logo is also being show along with HIT.

At the the formation of Mattel Creations, HIT was separate subsidiary of Mattel Creations (as was Playground Productions) and has a history of its own. Even if HIT looses it ID/subsumed into Creations, it still has a separate history from Creations and is better know as HIT. Spshu (talk) 13:27, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

What's the deal with HIT? I'm confused.

If I remember correctly, Mattel is no-longer using the HIT name for its programming, and is now using the Mattel Creations name in its place. It seems to me that HIT should be declared defunct as of 2018, because the fact that HIT Entertainment's website is redirecting to Mattel's seems to confuse a lot of people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.237.238.202 (talk) 17:34, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Read above in #Requested move 1. You are misremembering. Mattel Creations was placed above HiT as parent in the Mattel corporate hierarchy after being under Fisher-Price. HiT is still listed as a [brand on the Mattel website]. Redirection of the website does create confusion including the though that it is defunct, but may not be the reason. While Mattel Playground Productions was collapsed down into Mattel Creations doesn't mean that HiT has been. And your "seems to me" isn't source enough for Wikipedia to state as much. Spshu (talk) 21:17, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Additional, the current CEO of Mattel revived Mattel Playground Productions as Mattel Films, so there may be a revival of Hit. Spshu (talk) 21:28, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request

Under Independent Era, please add that The Wiggles videos were distributed by HIT in the United States. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20040727005160/en/U.S.-Gold-Album-Wiggles%21-Rock-Roll-Hallhttps://www.laughingplace.com/w/leg/?legacyasppage=News-ID10012450.asp

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. These sources are unreliable blogs and PR pages. GreaterPonce665 ^(TALK) 19:44, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

The PR release is considered a reliable source. Here is another source from a newspaper. https://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-xpm-2002-01-21-0201210186-story.html https://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/22/business/worldbusiness/apax-to-buy-hit-entertainment.html2603:8081:160A:BE2A:E853:A22A:D3EB:E5BA (talk) 03:27, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Press releases are not reliable sources. You need something that is from an independent reliable source. Page is not currently protected, so any interested editor may make the change. RudolfRed (talk) 01:10, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2020

92.7.32.208 (talk) 05:15, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. GreaterPonce665 ^(TALK) 19:44, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2021

Lindenbridgeschool (talk) 11:48, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

can you make hit entertainment limited not a defunct company?

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —twotwofourtysix^{(My talk page and contributions)} 11:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 July 2022

"becaming" → "becoming" 82.132.185.92 (talk) 08:57, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done 💜  melecie  talk - 09:59, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 August 2022

75.118.96.98 (talk) 01:20, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

HiT Entertainment Did Not Go Defunct

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:36, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2022 (2)

Kidtommee (talk) 01:40, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Because On Some Wikis Such As Fandom Wikis It Says It Was Not Defunct

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Other wikis are not reliable sources. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:42, 5 September 2022 (UTC)