Talk:Google Fi Wireless

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Technical Information[edit]

There are lots of technical questions that come to mind which might be interesting to have answers for in this article. Pretty clearly it has to use VoIP for operation over 802.11. Will it do VoIP over private 802.11 networks? (I'd guess so but the available information suggests it might not)

If connected to a cellphone network does it use VoIP over cellphone data network rather than using the 2G cellphone protocols? Will the phones do voice over 2G cell network if that is the only tech available?

How does the hand-off work? Does it briefly send voice over both connections during the hand-off? Does it instead just switch very quickly to an alternative network if it loses a preferred one?

Will software which monitors cell network connectivity (such as "Tower Collector") see towers on both network types if both are available?

There are lots of other questions about Google's Project Fi that can be asked, but these are some examples right now. 207.172.210.101 (talk) 01:11, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy section[edit]

Currently this is what is in the controversy section:

Based on changes to its terms of service, Google has been imposing what has been described as a "digital death sentence", removing the Google account -- including Gmail, photos, documents -- of users reselling Google phones like the Pixel or of those having their phones shipped directly from Google to resellers.

Firstly its inaccurate as this has always been in the terms, it was just never enforced before. Secondly, it is not written like something belonging in an encyclopedia. Third, please explain why a company enforcing their clearly spelled out terms of service is a controversy. Fourth, since when is users violating the terms of service and getting their accounts cancelled something that belongs on WP? Fifth this has nothing to do with Project Fi as it didn't matter where you ordered to phone from, it was happening to people who the play store too. - Galatz ^Talk 20:15, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

First, Google has not stated that any violation of the sale terms will remove the user account. Second, Could you explain why? Or just fix it? Third, As I said the account removal penalty is not cited in the terms of service. Fourth, because this is notable information. Fifth, please read The Guardian reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.70.153.144 (talk) 23:39, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Read here and you can clearly see it was a violation of their terms of service [1]. Please explain why this is more notable than any other violation? Users violate terms daily for every company. - Galatz ^Talk 15:18, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Galatz, please just try to cooperate with other Wikipedia users and stop tearing down the article. Your thoughts and ideas are just as important as everyone else's, so please try to work with them instead of against so we can make WP flourish with everyone's cooperation :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rustypup (talk • contribs) 00:11, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Galatz, the standard is coverage by reliable and verifiable sources, and that standard has been met. Sure, other vendors have terms of service, but the impact of the sanctions applied by Google is being treated as excessive, nor is it clear that all of the aspects of penalties related to violations are fully spelled out in the terms of service. If you have changes that you'd like to suggest, by all means make them and see if consensus can be obtained to support your proposals. Alansohn (talk) 15:47, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Who says the terms aren't clear? It certainly isn't a controversy, perhaps one sentence in another section, otherwise it is WP:UNDUE. - Galatz ^Talk 19:56, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, one way or another, you were editing the page in an unauthorized way to the WP system, so please don't do it again :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rustypup (talk • contribs) 21:08, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not realizing that the controversy section was indeed a controversy, I'll put in what I did and why. It doesn't belong in this article at all. Purchasing a Google Pixel phone from the Google Store does not require the involvement of Project Fi at all. It is at most a free add-on to the purchase of a Pixel phone, and the articles linked do not mention Fi as a prerequisite circumstance to the purchases. If it belongs anywhere at all, it's in the Pixel (smartphone) article, as being the only phone line affected by the suspensions, and as hardware purchases that do not have direct relevance to Project Fi. That's where I put it, after rewording the section to say what the articles say. Reselling a phone as a private party is not and never was claimed in either article or any I've found; only 'creating Google accounts for the purpose of sending them en-masse to a reseller, who then sells/distributes the phones without sales tax.' While my personal opinion is that doing so creates a de-facto unlicensed Pixel reseller, so isn't all that controversial at all, I've put it in that article. Skybunny (talk) 06:38, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation[edit]

Would it be possible for someone who knows to put in a phonetic pronunciation for clarity (/fiː/ - "fee" or /faɪ/ - "fie")? --Legis (talk - contribs) 21:02, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Added. Americans pronounce it as fie while in Ancient Greek it would be fee. --Abatishchev (talk) 05:38, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Number of Fi subscribers?[edit]

My tax program requests my mobile number alongside a drop-down box for the name of the provider. About 30 are listed, not including Fi. Which got me wondering, how many subscribers does Google Fi have, and how does it compare to other smaller carriers. I did some cursory searching but couldn't find anything. Maybe I didn't look very hard. Maybe Google does release the numbers, though I would have thought it's buried in some FCC filing somewhere. In any event, it would be interesting to include in this article, if the info is available. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:141:100:71C0:5D0E:67F5:C6F6:1D9B (talk) 21:54, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]