Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2004

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About the scoring, swedish television said that only Sweden got the fifth place since they got more twelves.

Firstly, a tie is not broken unless it is for first place or for the last qualification spot for next year's final. Secondly, the tie break rule was changed in time for ESC 2004 - now, if a tie has to be broken, the song that more countries voted for is placed higher, irrespective of what the individual marks were. Jess Cully 00:20, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Why is the Eurovision Song contest being held in Turkey, which is not part of Europe?

Because Turkey is a member of the EBU. Egypt if it wanted too could take take part. Morroco has entered once in 1981. - fonzy

And Israel is also a member. RickK 19:12, 2 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Indeed it is. You could go on by saying. Jordan, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Georgia, Lebanon, Russia (which is mostly in Asia), and a i think a couple more than i cant remember of by heart. O and as Luxembourg is no longer a member it can no longer enter. -fonzy

I think Georgia is in Europe, isn't it? I can't keep the borders straight there in the Caucasus.  :) RickK 19:22, 2 Aug 2003 (UTC)

No Georgia is not in Europe. -fonzy

But technically part of Turkey is in Europe anyway. - fonzy

Istanbul, the host city, is most definitely in Europe by all definitions. Vauxhall1964 (talk) 01:12, 23 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to the article at Europe:

Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan, three CIS republics in the Transcaucasus, are geographically part of continental Asia, but are frequently associated with Europe. Whether or not Armenia and Georgia are considered to be European countries usually depends on whether one defines Europe as being primarily an ethnic / linguistic entity, or primarily a political / geographic entity, and what one considers those definitions to be.
Note that the article also claims that Cyprus is part of Europe. RickK 19:34, 2 Aug 2003 (UTC)

FYROM,the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia,as Republic of Macedonia is fabrik for folgery Greek history,Greek culture,Greek geography and Greek symbols Macedonians!See Greek Macedonian symbol "Vergina Sun",Philip II king of Macedonia and Alexander the Great king of Macedonia !!! ----Vergina 09:10, 22 Oct 2003 (UTC)


Perhaps, but it is also the internationally recognised name of the country.2toise 09:15, 22 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Part of Russia (to the Ural Mountains) is considered as part of Europe, the rest Asia. However, their candidate may be from any part of the country and voters may vote from anywhere - the whole country is considered as entered. --OldakQuill 10:16, 16 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Well, actually, Morocco participated in the Eurovision Song Contest 1981 with the song Bitaqat Khub by Samira Bensaid --Ajitirj (talk) 14:45, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Morocco withdrew from the Contest before it took place. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 15:45, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In other news... :-/

"It was also the first contest to be broadcast in high definition format."

If that's the case it should have been available in widescreen to all member states, yet the BBC (an enthusiastic widescreen user) broadcast it in standard ratio. Why??? Lee M 00:08, 16 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Is it notable that the only points Ireland got were from England. Many Irish viewers could have seen the UK broadcast and voted for themselves throught that.

Why Wikipedia should make notice of every criticism about every year's winner? I mean, critics are just a few against the docens of thousand people who like it... Since when Terry Wogan and his "I hate them all" attitude rules Eurovision? --80.103.137.66 07:25, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Since 2003 all ties are split, necessary or not, possibly to facilitate the new scoreboard where countries leapfrog each other as the scores come in. Cyprus ended in 5th place and Sweden in 6th, since these ties are determined by which country was voted by the larger number of countries. In the event of a tied winner, the tie will be resolved by counting 12-pointers, like in the past. Tobsonhelsinki 19:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

actually - ties are only spit if it is nessesary to. ""Should there be a tie for first place in the final, the winner shall be the song which has obtained points from the highest number of countries. If the tying songs received votes from the same number of countries, then the highest number of 12-point scores shall be decisive. If the winner cannot be determined by this procedure, then the number of times ten points have been awarded shall be the deciding factor; if necessary, this method shall continue until account has been taken of the number of times one point has been awarded. The same method shall be applied if there is a tie for position number ten in the semi-final." Now it's clearly stated that this "rule for ties" only should be used to decide the winner and to decide 10th position in the semi final when there's an ex aequo with 11th position. The rules don't say anything about ex aequo's for the other positions, so they just end up in the same position.

Source: http://www.diggiloo.net/?faq#ties Esc luver 09:45, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Serbia and Montenegro[edit]

Since we resolved the whole Yugoslavia/Serbia and Montenegro thing, shouldn't Serbia and Montenegro be in the debuting section of the infobox and not the returning? Sims2aholic8 (talk) 13:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, especially since here it shows this as their earliest entry. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 14:16, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've re-worded the article, but I still think it could use some work to describe the whole FR Yugoslavia conflict (I'm not that good with words so I can't really do it). Sims2aholic8 (talk) 15:04, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Northern Cyprus[edit]

During the votes, no map of Cyprus is shown, presumably due to Turkey's recogotion of Northern Cyprus. Also, when the map zooms in on Turkey when it gives its votes, the border between Cyprus and Northern Cyprus can clearly be seen. Should it be noted under a controversies section, or something? Vuvuzela2010 (talk) 21:40, 20 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Missing map[edit]

All previous years pages have a map of competing countries but it's missing for 2004. Can it be re-added if it was removed? Vauxhall1964 (talk) 15:23, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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the article is a mess[edit]

there is one line that makes no sense at all. please get it fixed.84.212.111.156 (talk) 19:49, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Which line? Rhysy54 (talk) 18:53, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm assuming they mean this line "The countries which did not qualify for the final are normally calculate like participating countries, as well semi-finals are a part of the competition." I would edit it myself but I don't know what it's trying to say. Maybe that all participating countries are able to vote in both the finals and the semi-finals? Emetzold (talk) 21:12, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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