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Elevation[edit]

The city can't be at both 1800 metres and the foot of a 2760 foot mountain, that makes no sense.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.92.162.25 (talk) 20:28, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The town of Erigavo definitely does not have a population of 100,000. The region of Sanaag could have a population of 100,000

Agree. 100,000 was a population figure for the region, used by the Syad Barre government in the 1980s. The population of Erigavo in that decade was variously estimated at between 5,000 and 10,000. it should be remembered that Sanaag is a very dry region with only a few areas where there is any agriculture (in a few tugs coming out of the main range along the top of the escarpment. There is not a single tarmac road in the whole region.


P.s erigavo is one the oldest citys in somali. erigavo has maintain a high influx of refuges from southern somalia and alot of farmers have move from the country-side, erigavo has growed 3 times the size of the barre government. seening a lot of housing construction from people abroad and within somalia.

Article name[edit]

Apparently "Ceerigabo" is not used as the English-language name. This being the English Wikipedia, I propose we rename the article. What isn't clear, though, is whether "Erigabo" or "Erigavo" is more commonly used. The latter is used throughout the article. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 14:12, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

checkY Done, moved article to Erigavo. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:33, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Writter


I am really disapointed.. all what are you saying is quit far from the truth. becouse you are claiming that Erigavo inhabitants are only 5000 to 10,000 but you didnot base it any facts and figures... but let me remember you onething. -According to the last Somaliland voter registration more than 130,000 were registered and there are international observers. u can times atleast 3 for real conses. - As You mentioned that Erigavo is dry land... but Its very famous agriculture so there are almost thousands of people who are dependent to that section and they are densily populated.

so plz try to base ur argument facts —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.81.181.139 (talk) 13:33, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

History section[edit]

Under the history section, where did you get your information from with regards to Warsengali occupation of the area (it seems that you are implying that they are the original Somali inhabitants of the area)? Please clarify... Jeff333 —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:21, 8 November 2008.

You'd have to go through the article's history and see who added it. I've made an attempt to improve it but it still needs attribution. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 17:29, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

talk about the Dhulbahante. Warsangeli. Refugees??????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3abdush (talk • contribs) 01:41, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Somaliland has a abig camp for the [edit] Dhulbahante. Warsangeli. Refugees in sanaag write about that ???????????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3abdush (talk • contribs) 01:42, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

history[edit]

the hole article needs re change and needs sources for the claim that the city fell to the mad mullah which history sources never back and there are more to be writing about the city and its inhabitants which mainly are Isaaq like i say...needs sources and rewriting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohikan allebbey (talk • contribs) 03:22, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Demographics[edit]

Northern94 can you please go to the talk page instead of edit waring? AcidSnow (talk) 18:53, 21 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I did not know you started a talk page already. could you show me how you did it? And lets try to worked it out on the Demographic of Erigavo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Northern94 (talk • contribs) 19:15, 21 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

and please show me the full pages in the Oxford book that supports your claim on the Demo of Erigavo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Northern94 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 21 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Indeed it seems that your so called source does state the Warsangali as the largest clan in Erigavo. That is impossible. Where are you by the way?86.99.100.29 (talk) 18:49, 6 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The demographics section provides incorrect information. Erigavo is inhabited by numerous clans, however, the Isaaq and Harti clans are predominant. There are no official statistics or credible estimates which suggest which of the two is larger in the city, therefore, it this information should be corrected otherwise there should reference to proof the current information is correct. Cagadhiig (talk) 21:54, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sanaag as a region is shared by both Isaaq and Harti,: "The four major population groups in the Sanaaq region were respectively the Harti clans Warsangeli and Dhulbahante and the Isaq clans Habr Jallo and Habr Yonis, all of which were roughly the same size. Yet the region's main city Erigavo was wholly dominated by the Habr Jallo and Habr Yonis" [1]. --Kzl55 (talk) 23:20, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The quote you have given is distorted to suit your means. There is no doubt that the town is currently dominated military by the Habar Yonis along with Habar Jeclo of the Isaaq, due to the support of Somaliland, however the city is inhabited by many clans. The main four clans are the Warsangali, Dhulbahante and the two aforementioned Isaaq clans, there are many books, academic articles and NGO studies which clarify this point. So, please correct this error as soon as possible.

Rule and Rupture - State Formation Through the Production of Property and Citizenship: [1]

"[In Erigavo] members of various Isaaq and Darod/Harti clans reside together..." Cagadhiig (talk) 07:17, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain how the quote is distorted, it clearly states both that all four groups inhabit the region, and that its capital Erigavo is dominated by the two Isaaq subclans, the quote is very clear with little room for distortion, please do not remove it. --Kzl55 (talk) 08:17, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It is distorted because you have taken the quote out of context, by stating the Isaaq groups dominate the Erigavo, the study was referring to the military and administrative domination of the city and not stating that the city is mostly inhabited by the Isaaq groups. There has never been a census in Erigavo and the whole of Somalia and certainly which clan is more than the others is not known. In addition to this the study was conducted a 20 years ago in 1997, a time when there was great conflict between the Harti and Isaaq clans in the city which forced the Harti clans to vacate the city, however, his the peace deal that took place in 1998, the Harti clans have returned to the city.

Yes all for clans settle in the Sanaag region that is not point of contention here, but ALL four clans also live Erigavo city. Here is another quote clarifying this fact, "In Ceerigaabo, the capital of Sanaag region, members of various Isaaq and Darood/ Harti clans reside together"[2]. What more proof of this fact do you need?

I have filed a dispute resolution on the matter - [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cagadhiig (talk • contribs) 18:11, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Saying that the quote is distorted is your opinion, introducing your own analysis or conclusion to cited text is considered original research and is not allowed on Wikipedia. For the purposes of this article the source clearly states that Erigavo is dominated by Isaaq subclans "The four major population groups in the Sanaag region were respectively the Harti clans Warsangeli and Dhulbahante and the Isaq clans Habr Jallo and Habr Yonis, all of which were roughly the same size. Yet the region's main city Erigavo was wholly dominated by the Habr Jallo and Habr Yonis". There are a number of other sources confirming this statement, in Somaliland: With Addis Ababa & Eastern Ethiopia "The isaq (or Isaaq) clan, founded by its namesake in the 12th or 13th century, is the most numerically and politically important clan in Somaliland, with its various subclans accounting for the majority of the population of the country's five largest towns: Hargeisa, Burao, Berbera, Erigavo and Gebiley" (p. 137). You can also look at From Barre to Aideed: Somalia : the agony of a nation, where it states "Main Isaq towns: - Hargeysa (Capital of Somaliland Republic) Berbera, Buro, Erigavo, EL-Afweyn, Odwyne, Gabiley." (page 10). I hope that clarifies the issue. --Kzl55 (talk) 19:29, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No it does not clarify the issue. Both quotes are out of context and discussing the settlements of the Isaaq clan. Firstly, the former quote can't be taken seriously because the five cities mentioned are not the largest cities in Somaliland. The cities of Borama, Las Anod, and Buuhoodle are both larger in terms of population than Berbea, Erigavo and Gabiley - to confirm this see the recent UNFPA (2014) population estimate by district. Secondly, the travel guide which is not a credible source itself, does not provide a reference to how that statement of "fact" was deduced. Again the second quote, there is an amateurish mention of "Isaaq cities" with no consideration of those other clans that inhabit the cities along with the Isaaqs. Thus, both quotes cannot be taken seriously. The following are further proof that Erigavo is inhabited by both Isaaq and Harti clans; District Conflict and Security Assessment Report (2015): Erigavo (Ceerigaabo in Somali) is situated in northern Sanaag, the largest region in Somaliland. The city’s population is comprised of members mainly from the Isaaq sub clans Habar Yonis and Habar Jeclo, and the Harti-Darood sub clans Warsangeli and Dhulbahante. [4]. District Conflict and Security Assessment Report (2013): Erigavo is primarily inhabited by four major clans which are the Habar ‐Jelo and Habar‐ Yonis subdivision of the Isaaq clan; and Warsangeli and Dhulbahante subdivisions of the Harti Darood clan. But being one of the most diverse towns, there are also other minority clans in the district which include: Kahayle of Majerten, Madhiban of Gaboye, Jibraahiil of Ogaden, Magaadle of Isaq and Arabta Mohamoud Salah. [5] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cagadhiig (talk • contribs) 19:44, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop expressing your own opinion as a fact, "can't be taken seriously" and "which is not a credible source itself" and "an amateurish mention" are all your opinion, this is considered original research and not allowed on Wikipedia. I have presented three sources all clearly stating Isaaq making up the majority of Erigavo's residents. No one is denying other clans such as Dhulbahante and Warsangali are present, in fact they are all included in the section. Your continued edit warring is very disruptive to the page and may cause your account to be blocked, I strongly advise you to stop. --Kzl55 (talk) 20:43, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It is not my opinion, the sources you provided can not possibly make that claim, it is a fact, there has never been any census of the population of Erigavo. Therefore, there is no way of knowing if Harti or Isaaq clans are majority in the city, so, in order to prevent confusion this information must be kept kept balanced. Cagadhiig (talk) 21:27, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Please have a read through Wikipedia:No original research, you are injecting your own POV when the text is very clear "the region's main city Erigavo was wholly dominated by the Habr Jallo and Habr Yonis", "its [Isaaq's] various subclans accounting for the majority of ... Erigavo and Gebiley", and "Main Isaq towns... Erigavo" all clearly state who the majority is. I suggest you consider reading WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT, please cease the edit warring. --Kzl55 (talk) 21:51, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hey why is dhulbahante missing from the demographics.

The naaleye Ahmed have presence. They are second clan with most MPs in ceerigaabo (6 local MPs voted) and they hold vice governor if I am not mistaken.

Either way it wells known they live in the city and have higher population than habar jeclo and Warsengali.

Habar jeclo only managed to get 2 mps 

Reer buuhoodle (talk) 20:29, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uVvMDgAAQBAJ&pg=PA190&lpg=PA190&dq=ceerigaabo+clans&source=bl&ots=S07KVj-p7b&sig=odXu-_UQkoPdV9Oc6STBDK9iZkA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiD6o7vm4jVAhVJF8AKHT7aB5kQ6AEIUDAI#v=onepage&q=ceerigaabo%20clans&f=false
  2. ^ http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17531055.2013.776279?scroll=top&needAccess=true
  3. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:Erigavo.23Demographics
  4. ^ http://ocvp.org/docs/2015/Wave6/Erigavo%20DCSA%202015.pdf
  5. ^ http://ocvp.org/docs/ERIGAVO%20DSA%20REPORT.pdf

The largest clan in Erigavo[edit]

WTF!

The Largest clans residing in Erigavo are:


Muse Isma'il

Sa'ad Younis

Muse Arre


Mind you they are ALL from the Habar younis a sub clan of the Habar Garhjis confederation of the larger Isaaq clan.

Second in numbers there is the Habar Je'llo, another sub clan but from the Habar Hubshoo confederation of the Isaaq.

How come you claim the biggest & largest city in Sanaag to be inhabited by the Warsanagali who equal in numbers the small Arab clan of the Isaaq? Not only that, you just added the Dhulubahante to the mix and toke out the only valid fact which it's the Habar younis!. Both Harti clans have a very few numbers there in line with the minority Gaboy and Sameroon clans.


I strongly disagree with this fault description over Erigavo population.83.110.229.178 (talk) 06:54, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Conflicting Population figures[edit]

The Infobox gives the population as 220,546 and the Demographics sections gives the population as 120,546. One of these is clearly in error. (Neither has a reference to enable me to verify the real figure.) I suspect a typing error when copying the figure to the Infobox?

Given the earlier discussion about the population in the 1st section of this talk page, which talks of figures around 100,000, I believe the 120,546 is the more credible. I have updated the Infobox to reflect this. If anybody disagrees with this action please put forward a reference from which we can verify the figures. I have looked at http://www.tageo.com/index-e-so-cities-SO.htm, which is used as a ref on other pages for other Somali towns, and this gives a figure of 41000 in the year 200. I have therefore also added this (older?) figure to the demographics section. MWchat (talk) 16:23, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

According the UNDP population estimate (2005) for the district of Erigavo was 114,846 [1]. There is however, no credible estimate or census result on Erigavo city, therefore, i suggest that the 2005 UNDP estimate be used. Cagadhiig (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:48, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That number is not useable in the infobox because it reflects the total population of the entire district of Erigavo, not the town. Though it could be used in the body. --Kzl55 (talk) 23:20, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Regions, districts, and their populations: Somalia 2005 (draft)" (PDF", UNDP, October 2005. Retrieved on 19 June 2017.

Demographics[edit]

I've noticed dhulbahante is missing from demographics. Can you Include them. The naaleye Ahmed subclan of dhulbahante are citizens.

HY especially gadhweyne are majority but I don't know why dhulbahante is left out and minorities are included (Gahayle, magaadle)

We have 6 Mps from ceerigaabo. Reer buuhoodle (talk) 20:29, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 October 2018[edit]

Ceerigaabbo is in Sanaag, Somaliland and under Somaliland governance there for the location should say Somaliland.

Thanks Samirstown (talk) 08:33, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. L293D (☎ • ✎) 18:47, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unexplained removal of Somaliland[edit]

@Shirshore: I have reverted your edits since they were unexplained, unconstructive and have not contributed to the article in any way, other than removing all mentions of Somaliland with Somalia, which breaches a long-standing consensus.

Maybe if you could explain your thinking behind them we might reach a consensus and come up with a solution, since senseless edit warring is not something that's acceptable in Wikipedia. Dabaqabad (talk) 16:26, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 March 2023[edit]

i need to edit this page and supply more information Osmanbhai (talk) 10:37, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Osmanbhai: it is protected due to disruption, so you can't directly. However you can post suggestions for editing here. Please be specific, what text to add, remove, or modify. Also given a reason for the edit and supporting sources. --Mvqr (talk) 11:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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