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Someone obviously not an historian keep deleting the Este Orioles section[edit]

I do not why but there is someone keep deleting the section on the Este Orioles House. This person either is not able to read or do this because is not able to use internet. There is a Justice Decree signed by Ercole III and countersigned by his Ministry of the Interior which gives to Antonino d' Este Orioles the prerogatives and Ducal title. This document was certified as authentic by the Italian Judiciary which also aknowledged all the rights of his successor Antonino V d' Este Orioles. BOTH documents are widely available on Internet and in any case the person who keeps deleting the sections should instead ASK for clarifications instead. Araldico69 (talk) 23:03, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have just included the link to the Italian Regional gov of Puglia where the summay of the Judiciary decree is uploaded. Araldico69 (talk) 23:59, 11 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Section XIV of the unrevoked Transitory and Final Dispositions of the 1948 Italian Constitution states: "I titoli nobiliari non sono riconosciuti." ("Titles of nobility are not recognized"). Law courts may not and do not exercise authority to override the national Constitution. I suggest you look up ultra vires: Either this 2013 "Judiciary decree" is a fraud or it is unconstitutional. Wikipedia would need a reliable secondary source confirming validity and applicability of this decree to accept so extraordinary a claim as legitimate, and even then consensus is needed to include all these fanciful assertions -- and I dissent. FactStraight (talk) 03:23, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Key terms: Hoax means "a falsehood deliberately fabricated to masquerade as the truth" Pronouncement: the act of pronouncing, declaring, or uttering formally Defamation is a spoken or written expression which is deemed to harm the reputation of an individual and proved to be false. The Hoax claim is false and maybe considered defamatory. I have cited and posted the summary of a Judicial Pronouncement (12 pages) of the Italian Tribunale di Lecce; giving also the exact numbers of the Pronunciation to trace it. This Pronouncement exactly explains what written in the section. I also provided the link of the official website of the Puglia Gov Region where it is uploaded; so people can go directly to retrieve without any manipulations. Now do I need to explain the difference from a book source (written by individuals which could not be objective) and a formal Judiciary Pronouncement having the force of law because originated from a process of Legal scrutiny? Really?

In terms of reliable sources; this Pronouncement is a reliable source (Cf. The Oxford Standard for Citation of Legal Authorities https://www.law.ox.ac.uk/sites/files/oxlaw/oscola_2006.pdf ) I have again uploaded the link http://www.regione.puglia.it/documents/10192/10774613/TRIBUNALE.pdf/def6927f-b70e-4cd3-b864-7b8e37ee42d8;jsessionid=C9A0ED98669B6D826B95E0C1D2F12789?version=1.1

Anyone can use Google translator and understand what it is written. I Trust I clarified the matter. Araldico69