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Samuel Paty's beheading[edit]

I'd like to add a short comment in the _Charlie Hebdo_ section :

On January 7, 2015, the office was attacked again with 12 shot dead, including Stéphane Charbonnier, and 11 injured. Following this, on 16 October of 2020, middle-school teacher Samuel Paty was beheaded because he had shown cartoons portraying Mohammed Murder_of_Samuel_Paty.

--FrancescoSagredo (talk) 12:38, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done Since you are unable to edit the article since it is semi-protected, I added it for you. Some1 (talk) 00:58, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 21 February 2022[edit]

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Use Template:Hidden image for the images which seems to be unwanted to watch by some readers. 103.230.107.2 (talk) 20:23, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not done Wikipedia is not censored. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 20:30, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion[edit]

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Medieval Persian manuscript Muhammad leads Abraham Moses Jesus.jpg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 00:07, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Charlie Hebdo image[edit]

FYI in case anyone is interested: Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2022_April_12#File:Charlie_Hebdo_Tout_est_pardonné.jpg Some1 (talk) 23:48, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 15 October 2022[edit]

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It is offensive to Muslims when creating a picture of any prophet, and we do not appreciate how you displayed those images here, please remove them. Hassamohammed (talk) 02:17, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Muhammad/FAQ. It is against our policy to censor things because some may find them offensive. At the FAQ you can find instructions on how to hide those images on your account Cannolis (talk) 02:50, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"It is offensive to Muslims" We don't care. Dimadick (talk) 15:20, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, you don't care. That is not why we have the policy. WP:Wikipedia is not censored applies to all religions and none, to all interest groups and individuals. That is the policy because it is the only way we can be neutral, despite knowing that some readers will be offended. We regret that offence but will not concede on our fundamental principles. (Oh, and by the way, the depiction of Muhammed in the article was made by a muslim artist: the hadith against depiction is a modern and disputed one, as the opening paragraphs of the article explains.) --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:38, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"the hadith against depiction is a modern and disputed one" It is basically presentism at work, and represents only a minority of Muslims. Dimadick (talk) 15:00, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, no, we don't care. People have a choice over what they get offended about. We cannot cater to everyone's preference. We don't remove content because it offends someone. The fact that we don't care also means that we don't deliberately try to provoke offense either by including gratuitous images, because we don't care either way. By design, we are neutral, and therefore we are deaf to the offenses perceived by others. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:09, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Wikipedia article" paragraph[edit]

This paragraph seems outdated. The current English wikipedia article about Muhammad no longer displays that picture (unlike in other languages), so it appears that wikipedia did indeed give in to censorship eventually. Thus the part of this paragraph claiming it didn't ought to be changed. 90.119.26.215 (talk) 17:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is still in the article, see the "Farewell pilgrimage" section. Hut 8.5 17:31, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Should this article be split?[edit]

It seems to me that the history of artistic depictions of Muhammad over the centuries in Islam is a quite different topic to the matter of 21st-century protests against depictions of him. Would it be worth splitting off the latter into a separate article titled something like Muhammad cartoon controversies? Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 01:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some of those instances have their own articles already. This being a sort of overview article, I think the content largely fits. WP:TOOBIG is not currently a problem here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:13, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't thinking under WP:TOOBIG grounds- moreso that there isn't currently any article focused on the matter of contemporary depiction of Muhammad in cartoons. For comparison, Depiction of Jesus is an article focused on the religious/artistic perspective and doesn't include mention of things like this Onion article. It would be possible to greatly expand the Depictions of Muhammad#Controversies in the 20th and 21st centuries section of this article, as much of the content of Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy#Background, opinions and issues is really about modern cartoon depiction of Muhammad in general and not specifically about the Jyllands-Posten cartoons so should be located in a more general article- but in the event of moving that content into here, this article would quickly become a WP:COAT article. For that reason, I feel like a separate article for the overview of Muhammad cartoons in the 21st century aside from any specific incident would be useful. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 13:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2024[edit]

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Could you remove depictions of Prophet in the article. There are billions of Muslims in the World. Do you think these are acceptable to Muslims? SaloxiddinTursunaliyev (talk) 16:12, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Wikipedia is not bound by the tenets of any faith, including Islam. See Talk:Muhammad/FAQ, WP:NOTCENSORED and WP:CODI. Melmann 16:30, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because many those images were created by Muslims, I'd say yes, those are acceptable, including the ones in the Muhammad article. This is an article about depictions so it should hardly be surprising that it would include depictions from a variety of sources. If they aren't acceptable to you personally, then see Talk:Muhammad/FAQ Q3 for instructions on how to configure your account to avoid seeing them. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]